Come ye who are wise in the ways of SQUIGGLY LINES...

... and tell me what this means!

This is a somewhat accurate graph of my recent rags to riches run. There are some hands missing I think, but overall it about right... down to the choppy disaster that has been my last several sessions.

I have a decent understanding of the numerical poker stats like vpip/pfr/agr/ c-bet etc. But I need to know how allin-ev relates to my actual winnings, and what the divergence between the showdown and non showdown lines signify.

I've searched a little.. but I also wanted honest opinions on what my chart specifically says about MY play.

Thanks...

Chart says you're winning and running slightly below expectation in all-in pots. Nothing else can really be gleaned from it really. Showdown stats would help to know something about your SD v NSD lines.

OK... so the divergence isn't meaningful in itself so much...

I was wondering if I need to try to flatten out the red one etc...

I suppose I will get deeper into the stats..

Damn 15 day trial. They may have got me!

I didn't ask any questions. Just pointed it to the folder and watched it grind. Was it sposed to only do some of them?

I did look at PT. I like HEM slightly better at a glance.

Sorry, post out of order. I deleted, I asked how caps had so many hands, how far back HEM imported.

When your NSD winnings are low, but your showdown winnings are high it means a few things could be going on:

1) The games you play in a loose & your opponents call more than they should.
2) You play a tight game, rarely going to showdown without the best hand.
3) You do not bluff much.

So I bet all 3 apply here, as it looks like you're playing 10$ NL or something. Not necessarily a bad thing, but you could maybe pick on some weak/nitty regs a bit more and pad your winnings a bit.

I would suggest limping a bit less & loosening up a hair on the button. Blind steals, raise & c-bet tactics are a great way to boost your non-showdown winnings (and probably the safest).

On the other hand, my graph looks almost completely opposite to yours, and I run loose as hell & bluff way too much.

If you read it right to left it clearly shows you have converged upon yourself!

c9h13no3 said:

I would suggest limping a bit less & loosening up a hair on the button. Blind steals, raise & c-bet tactics are a great way to boost your non-showdown winnings (and probably the safest).

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I play the same micro 6max tables as cAPS and my stats aren't that different from his. First of all, 1/2/3 are spot on and I think C9's right about the above suggestion. From our cc games, I have a feeling I'm using those safe pot stealing tactics more often and it keeps my red line closer to 0 and therefore my green stays closer to blue. That would be an easy way to add a few bb/100 at these stakes.
After playing more bluffy, aggro sessions both my red and blue are positive, now that would be nice to sustain. I guess that's why LAG is the most profitable if you can do it right, but that's a big adjustment.

I think you guys are right about the nature of the mini micros, but I am anything BUT tight here. In fact I am a little pensive about sharing my stats for that reason I am also more aggressive post flop than pre flop down here.

When I experiment with a more tight less passive preflop game I win more slowly.

It's almost entirely 6max and primarily 02nl.

VPIP: 35.8
PFR : 10.4
AGG : 2.7
WTSD: 25.8
W$SD: 51.0
bb/100: 46.4 (regular bb not PTbb)

cAPSLOCK said:

VPIP: 35.8
PFR : 10.4
AGG : 2.7
WTSD: 25.8
W$SD: 51.0
bb/100: 46.4 (regular bb not PTbb)

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Oi, stop limping so many crappy hands. I realize that at the stakes you play, people will pay you off just about all the time, however, you're burning through a lot of money just limping all the time.

The only time I consider limping okay is:

-Behind 2 other limpers, in position with an implied odds hand.
-In the small blind, when 2-3 other full stacked players have limped with an implied odds hand.
-Limping 22-66 in early position against a table full of pay-off bitches.

Other than that, you're not going to be able to make enough money to make up for the fact that you're spending 1 bb to see a flop. I'm betting that most of your money comes from that 10% preflop raise part, and not the limp part. You could try loading the hold'em manager filter "saw flop, no preflop raise" and see how your win-rate does.

c9h13no3 said:

You could try loading the hold'em manager filter "saw flop, no preflop raise" and see how your win-rate does.

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Ooooh. Now were talking.. Be right back!

Multiway saw flop with no PFR:
bb/100: 77.71

Heads up saw flop with no PFR
bb/100: 35.44

cAPSLOCK said:

Multiway saw flop with no PFR:bb/100: 77.71
Heads up saw flop with no PFR bb/100: 35.44

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This is what I suspected at micros, with all the "pay-off bitches" limping isn't so bad. Everyone says to keep vp$ip and pfr close together and I guess that will get more important as we move up. I thought you raised more than that cAPs, I run about 34/21/3 at 5nl but I do play tighter at 10nl, maybe I'm just scared money there .

I play a far different game at tables with good players. My numbers at 6max with better players are more like 28/18/3.

That might be more how I play the the CC 02 tables.

The interesting conclusion from the above numbers C9 asked for is I need to stop limping against ONE player. Or I need to not float a single player when they PFR.