Check Raising

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Do Players use the check raise enough to be effective ?
How often would you say players use the check raise and is obvious they have a big hand ?
Should a player use the check raise not only when you get a big hand but to bluff and help set tables dynamics ?
 
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Check raising can have both positive and negative effects. People have a tendency to "check to the raiser" bc a preflop raise is usually followed by a postflop bet. So basically, they're checking to induce that cbet from the aggressor.

Yes, you should be check raise bluffing as well as floating with intentions to steal.
 
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should be used when you have your steady hand otherwise you must be very careful
 
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It's a fine tool to use. People don't do it often in lower limits but that doesn't mean it's non-existent in lower limits either.

If you want to use it might be good to try it out with a value hand and see how he reacts to it and then maybe try it with a bluff later on down the road, if you think you can get him off his hand to pick up a pot.

Some people don't fold much and will bet the flop a lot, and those people you want to check raise for value while others have discipline but can act aggressively and those might be the players you want to check-raise bluff when you feel they are leading weak.
 
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You never know until you try.

I think that most players don't check raise enough, or they do it with the wrong hands.

Think about these boards and what a good check raising range might look like:

button raises 2 big blinds, only the big blind calls.

flop1: 27K

flop2: 9TJ

flop3: 65K

flop4: Q88

Once you establish a read that the opponent likes to cbet a lot, then I like check raising ranges like this:

flop1: 77, 22, K7s, 98s(backdoor flush draw), T8s(bdfd).

flop2: 99, 87s, JT, J9s, AQ.

flop3: 66, 55, K6s, K5s, 87s.

flop4: 88, Q8s, A8, K8s, J8s, T8s, 98s, 87s, JT, J9s, T9s.
 
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You never know until you try.

I think that most players don't check raise enough, or they do it with the wrong hands.

Think about these boards and what a good check raising range might look like:

button raises 2 big blinds, only the big blind calls.

flop1: 27K

flop2: 9TJ

flop3: 65K

flop4: Q88

Once you establish a read that the opponent likes to cbet a lot, then I like check raising ranges like this:

flop1: 77, 22, K7s, 98s(backdoor flush draw), T8s(bdfd).

flop2: 99, 87s, JT, J9s, AQ.

flop3: 66, 55, K6s, K5s, 87s.

flop4: 88, Q8s, A8, K8s, J8s, T8s, 98s, 87s, JT, J9s, T9s.

Btw, How does board texture effect your decision to check raise?
 
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check raise is a defend tool
not an attacking tool to use.
it will be effective to some situation.
 
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check raise is a good tool to use to defend against overly aggressive players and also to trap them when you have a monster
 
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Btw, How does board texture effect your decision to check raise?

For me it's not just board dependent, but effective stack size dependent. If I only have ~pot sized bet left, then I'd rather just bet with my strong hands. If I can check and shove ~pot sized raise over my opponent's cbet, then I'd rather do that.

Sometimes with a read I'll go out on more limbs with flop and turn check raises, but it takes a good read to bluff with a low equity hand. Usually, because of my bad playing opponents, I'll remove the weaker bluffs from my check raising range.
 
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Check raising flops is a great counter against high cbet %, make sure the board has whiffed most of villains range though. You shouldn't really ever be check raising for value unless you know villain is strong and wants to play for stacks.
 
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For me it's not just board dependent, but effective stack size dependent. If I only have ~pot sized bet left, then I'd rather just bet with my strong hands. If I can check and shove ~pot sized raise over my opponent's cbet, then I'd rather do that.

Sometimes with a read I'll go out on more limbs with flop and turn check raises, but it takes a good read to bluff with a low equity hand. Usually, because of my bad playing opponents, I'll remove the weaker bluffs from my check raising range.

While I agree that if you want to Check raise with low equity hands you need a good read and feel for your opponents that doesn't really answer the question. Would you check shove a pot size raise with say 77 on a 479-monotone board? What read would you need to process into making a check raise a good play there over an opponents cbet.
 
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While I agree that if you want to Check raise with low equity hands you need a good read and feel for your opponents that doesn't really answer the question. Would you check shove a pot size raise with say 77 on a 479-monotone board? What read would you need to process into making a check raise a good play there over an opponents cbet.


+1 we don't want folds so there is no reason to.

It seems redundant to multi-quote but the back and forth is worth including. I think the only possible time you'd want to check-raise would be if your opponent is in a state where he/she will punt their stack (ie: they just took a big beat and are right back in playing another hand). It's all about applying pressure at the right times. If you think you'll get their stack, then why not do it right then and there? In that instance, you don't necessarily want them to see another card to give them a few more moments to fold and save their stack.

Use tilt against them and you'll get their chips. Otherwise, I am in total agreement that a board like that, unless it's all one suit, is one you'd want to keep the opponent from folding.
 
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