Is check raise a good line for bleffing the flop?

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I watched one video where the guy made this move and he said it was a good move and i dont know if it is really or not, help ?
 
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check raising is only ever good if you know your opponent will bet. That includes if you're going to do it as a bluff.

All bluffs need to make sense and require the other player to be good enough to believe it and find the fold button. So I wouldn't try it at the 1/2 cent table or a freeroll.

That said, I could see this work on a flop especially if you get min bet. On the river though, most good players slow down if you're doing something to show them you are strong, so they probably won't believe you if you check raise.
 
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It is all depends on the situation. If your opponent has a high VPIP but demonstrated a willingness to fold to play back or your opponent has a VPIP on the low side and has not demonstrated a willingness to play back post flop without strong made hands and the board has not hit a large part of their pre-flop range might be a couple general situations to try that bluff but it also will depend on your stack their stack and what part of the tournament you are in, your "image" to name a few as well as maybe some ICM considerations late? But if you are going to try a bluff in general I think a check raise is probably better than a lead unless you almost always C-bet then the check raise might look fishy to a good player but might look trappy to a bad player and work. All just opinions hope your thread gets some other opinions maybe with a different point of view. And I agree with rizaleski you have to be pretty sure that your opponent is going to bet to plan this bluff.
 
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It depends if on the flop is a straight or a flush and even straigt/flush draw then its good if the flop is like 9 5 2 then its a mistake
 
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Its not a yes/no question. Only answer you ll ever get on this kind of question is "depends". It depends on your opponent, it depends on both of your stack sizes, it depends on your table image, it depends on the table texture... I allways say bluffing is an art cause you have to think about everything and not everyone can do that. Also knowing when not to bluff is what makes a good "bluffer"
 
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Its not a yes/no question. Only answer you ll ever get on this kind of question is "depends". It depends on your opponent, it depends on both of your stack sizes, it depends on your table image, it depends on the table texture... I allways say bluffing is an art cause you have to think about everything and not everyone can do that. Also knowing when not to bluff is what makes a good "bluffer"

I'll have to agree with this one. It really does just depend.


It can work as a bluff but sometimes it doesn't make sense. Like if you're trying to rep the nuts or something. Because with the nuts you'd more likely be check-calling to induce more action on the turn.

It might make sense for some top pair hands to do if they think you have AK and missed. But I don't think it looks as strong as you'd like it to in most cases.
 
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I think it really depends on the opponent you are trying to bluff. A Lag may call depending on your stack size and table image. You may not want to fire too many check raises on the flop vs. a healthy stacked Tag. Checking with the intent to raise passive players may be a bad idea as well, because they may check as well and elect to see another free card. It also depends on the texture off the flop. Your table image and your stack size will impact your success rate on a check-raise bluff. Also, are you talking about bluffing on a rainbow flop with no pairs? or are you talking about a board with draws?
 
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If he likes to fold on scary boards you should check raise him on good flop. If he never folds than it is not good. Depends only on opponent.
 
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i think its better to raise before check but its diffcult to you have to arrange your hand if its good or not so :)
 
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This depend on villain tendency and the his amount of preflop raise.
 
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Not with all the players you get it. It depends on your opponent. He can not believe you. I try not to do so at all. I and without that everything is going to play well.
 
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Do you remember the action of the hand? Positions, stack sizes of all players in the hand, blinds, bet sizes, hole cards and the flop? These are good to start, they will help to define if the play is good or bad in this spot or other spots. From there knowing player tendencies and more about any hand history between the players can show if the move is profitable.
 
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Either good or bad depending on opponents.

It can be effective on good players but not so on fishes.

Fishes cant relate about the move and still continue while good players would appreciate it as a strong move.
 
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