Cash Call all in with JJ?

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Blinds .05/10 with $2, 9 players. You are UTG with JJ you raise double blind (Mistake i'mguessing). Middle position reraises to 60c and button reraises to 2 dollars. Both players are both tight and only bet around this much with AK-Q and or good pairs. But i put them AK and AQ. Would you call? How strong is JJ in cash?
 
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why are you short stacking 10nl? Play 2nl with a full stack, imo.
 
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why are you short stacking 10nl? Play 2nl with a full stack, imo.
Maybe because he wants to play following the SS strategy???


Answering the question: Your first mistake finally was a good one, you only lost 2BB folding, and probably is the best option here.
 
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I would probably fold. That being said, if you are confident in your read, which is AQ and AK, then you need to call.
 
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Blinds .05/10 with $2, 9 players. You are UTG with JJ you raise double blind (Mistake i'mguessing). Middle position reraises to 60c and button reraises to 2 dollars. Both players are both tight and only bet around this much with AK-Q and or good pairs. But i put them AK and AQ. Would you call? How strong is JJ in cash?

If they are tight, they're doing this with J/J+ and A/K or A/Q (like you said).
As is, you're wimpy raise got you in cheap on what's either a coin flip or a very bad situation.

I'd fold Jacks here.
If you call you can get raise again. Even if you call and the other guy folds, an over card is going to his the flop a good percentage of the time and then what do you do when he c-bets?

It's just a sticky situation and you won't want to play for a big pot against tight players with J/J.
 
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If you are short stacking play, JJ all-in isn't too bad...I'd push it in. If you were deeper, it's an easy fold. With your reads on the 2 players in the pot being tight is a bit rough though. If you think they are that tight (a bit surprising at that level) you AT BEST a coin flip. How much of this $2 is your overall bankroll, etc play into the equation as well.
 
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JJ have not good value for ALLIN.. just throw away or try your lucky :confused: cause they have AQ,AK anything else also one pair beats you..
why am i get on into this risk with JJ? answer is simple fold :eek:
 
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if your read is right and you are up against ak,aq then you are roughly 45% to win.if your wrong and up against say qq,ak then you are about 17%.Unless you are positive of your read its an EZ fold.
 
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Blinds .05/10 with $2, 9 players. You are UTG with JJ you raise double blind (Mistake i'mguessing). Middle position reraises to 60c and button reraises to 2 dollars. Both players are both tight and only bet around this much with AK-Q and or good pairs. But i put them AK and AQ. Would you call? How strong is JJ in cash?

How can you narrow them to just 2 hands at this stage?

If their 4 bet range is around 8% then you are sufficiently ahead to call.

If its around 4% then you are slightly behind.

I think at this point that is as much of a read as you can have unless they are likely to be shoving with AA,KK (but this dosent usually happen at 10NL as they should have stacks of $10
 
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I think call is good here, if your reading are good, you have the best hand preflop. If a Q, K or A shows up in the flop, you fold.
 
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I think call is good here, if your reading are good, you have the best hand preflop. If a Q, K or A shows up in the flop, you fold.

His stack is $2 and he is calling a $2 raise. He will be all in preflop
 
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I missed that he only had $2.
I probably call if I had JJ with $2 at that point, as you won't have tough decisions post flop.
 
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Blinds .05/10 with $2, 9 players. You are UTG with JJ you raise double blind (Mistake i'mguessing). Middle position reraises to 60c and button reraises to 2 dollars. Both players are both tight and only bet around this much with AK-Q and or good pairs. But i put them AK and AQ. Would you call? How strong is JJ in cash?
I really would have played the hand the same as you... Raise double the blind and kept in the hand... I would definately be happy if I hit pocket J's in a cash game, unfortinately I dont have that type of luck lol.
 
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i would be a folder there- behind to a big pair, coin flip to most other likely hands.....and if the .6 guy goes all then there are more over cards that could hit.
Best case scenario, JJ V AKo V AQo- still only 45% or so in your favor. The counter argument is that you would be contributing 1/3 to a pot you have a 45% chance of winning.
I would still be a folder though, because by my definition, a tight player would not go all in on the likes of AQ.
 
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If they have got AK or AQ or any other combination of 2 cards except a pocket pair then you are favorite with your J's. I would say it is worth seeing the flop at $2. If however you are mistaken and they have high pocket pairs then you are probably going to lose. That does not mean you played it wrong. JJ is a strong hand but so much more so from a late position.
 
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I would also fold here.odds are on most flops something is comin out higher than a Js.If they players are tight like u say than they are prolly holdin somethin that has u beat.Wait on better cards org a better position than there.There are too many ways to take them Js down there.
 
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Sucks, but I think you have fold in that situation. Is there a right way to play JJ?
 
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your call

if you think they have AQ AK you have too call there its a no brainer if you where not sure what they had you must fold. remember next time go for a 3x blind raise at least you will have a better thought on how strong there hand is.
 
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Well I started out as medium stack and ended up short stack (didn't notice the flush), which i don't mind playing. But good to know I didn't make a bad decision. Well I put them on AK and Aq because they bet the same amount few hands prior. Even so I didnt' like my odds, even though I would be in favor. QQ was also a possibility. Not anything stronger because they went all in. I might be bias cause I saw their hands, both AKs.

Maybe i'm wrong but is AK really strong as 10x big blind? I only bet 2x bb for JJ because i was scared the tight palyers would fold. The flop was beautiful: J J 9.
 
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Well I started out as medium stack and ended up short stack (didn't notice the flush), which i don't mind playing. But good to know I didn't make a bad decision. Well I put them on AK and Aq because they bet the same amount few hands prior. Even so I didnt' like my odds, even though I would be in favor. QQ was also a possibility. Not anything stronger because they went all in. I might be bias cause I saw their hands, both AKs.

Maybe i'm wrong but is AK really strong as 10x big blind? I only bet 2x bb for JJ because i was scared the tight palyers would fold. The flop was beautiful: J J 9.

Two additional comments:
a) The ammount of bet from a good player cannot tell you what hand he have, you only can put him in a range. With a reraise maybe you can reduce that range, but still is a range. In addition, if he mix his bets and raises trying to not have a bet pattern to be easely read then the work is harder for you. Anyway, this kind of players and way to play is frequently seen in higher stakes than NL10, but still think you cannot say: "that player have AK for sure".
b) I read in some place that "there are three ways to play Js or Ts and all are wrong". :p
I don't like the min-raise style, but works for some players. Frequently a min-raise from UTG returns with a reraise or you can be in the call show with another 4 or 5 players in the hand. Personally I don't like any of both scenarios holding JJ without position and playing SS.
Think if you was searching for that or not. If not, then you must modify the ammount of your initial raise.
 
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I think this is an automatic fold especially giving the type of players u are against....plus u only have 2 bets in and u dont need to make a hero call with jacks in that spot
 
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Well I started out as medium stack and ended up short stack

Turn on auto rebuy, you'd have been kickin yourself if u got AA here and it turned out a 100bb stack villain had KK and would have stacked preflop.
 
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never call two all ins with two jacks unless you want to lose 66% of the time.
 
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i wouldt call all in with jj in this postions espesh if they are tight players this worst coudl happen and you could lose.
 
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I'm going to go ahead and agree with the 20 or so other people that have dropped in here and say it is a definite fold. Even if they have AK or AQ you know how these things go.
 
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