Cap PLO - First 300 hands

Is there anyway I can keep up my win rate?

Am I just running good?

Does this mean I'm too aggressive and play too many hands?

300 hands is a meaningless sample. If you're running hot (which you are), you'll be making lots of near-nut hands and going to showdown a lot and betting them a lot.

These graphs are near meaningless.

c9h13no3 said:

300 hands is a meaningless sample. If you're running hot (which you are), you'll be making lots of near-nut hands and going to showdown a lot and betting them a lot.

These graphs are near meaningless.

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Thanks for the reply.

I already had the idea that this is meaningless.

Sorry to waste your time.

Come back with at least 10k hands, 20-25k would be better. From this sample, you can't really draw any conclusions about your winrate, your aggression tendencies, etc. 300 hands is not even an entire session for most people. Also, cap games are pretty awful.

atlantafalcons0 said:

Is there anyway I can keep up my win rate?

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There's no way I can tell you anything that isn't just generic advice without seeing how you play hands in situations. These graphs, as mentioned before, don't mean anything. In 300 hands, the biggest nit on the planet could have stats like these.

atlantafalcons0 said:

Am I just running good?

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c9h13no3 said:

If you're running hot (which you are)

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atlantafalcons0 said:

Does this mean I'm too aggressive and play too many hands?

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There's no way I can tell you anything that isn't just generic advice without seeing how you play hands in situations. These graphs, as mentioned before, don't mean anything. In 300 hands, the biggest nit on the planet could have stats like these.

In order to get any meaningful advice, you'll have to post something that looks like this:

Absolute Poker $2.00/$4.00 Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is MP with J K
1 fold, Hero raises, 1 fold, BTN calls, SB calls, 1 fold

Flop: (7 SB) 9 5 Q (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, BTN calls, SB calls

Turn: (5 BB) J (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, BTN calls, SB folds

River: (7 BB) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets, Hero calls


Hand history analysis allows people who post here to analyze what you do and your thought process in specific situations. There's a reason we have two whole forums devoted to it. Its how you get better. And its way quicker feedback than playing 10K hands and then looking at some still fairly meaningless stats.

Okay, Okay, I get the idea..

I'll post my graph again when I have 10,000 hands.

Dealer: Hand #20033418039
Dealer: atlantafalcons0 posts the small blind of $0.01
Dealer: toonarmy10 posts the big blind of $0.02
Dealer: You have been dealt [Ac 6h Ah Qh]
Dealer: atlantafalcons0 raises to $0.06
Dealer: toonarmy10 raises to $0.18
Dealer: atlantafalcons0 raises to $0.54
Dealer: toonarmy10 raises to $0.80, and is capped
Dealer: atlantafalcons0 calls $0.26, and is capped
Dealer: toonarmy10 shows [4d Qc Jh 6d]
Dealer: atlantafalcons0 shows [Ac 6h Ah Qh]
Dealer: The flop is [Td 4h As]
Dealer: The turn is [Kd]
Dealer: The river is [8s]
Dealer: toonarmy10 shows a straight, Ace high
Dealer: atlantafalcons0 shows three of a kind, Aces
Dealer: toonarmy10 wins the pot ($1.50) with a straight, Ace high

^^ You are rarely making a mistake if you can get AAxx all-in pre-flop in Omaha. The thing though is that 3-betting usually gives your hand away. So you can't just raise left and right, because then people will know exactly what you have and know exactly how to play against you.

Again, cap games really stink, and really defeats the point of pot limit games.

cjatud2012 said:

Again, cap games really stink, and really defeats the point of pot limit games.

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What makes you think that?


That's pretty standard play. Aces in a cap game = insta-stack.

I agree, the fact that he's playing cap does make it easier to play AAxx, since the standard play is to get it AIPF. I meant that as more of an aside. What I was trying to say is that generally it's silly to play with a cap in a game that favors position, unless I'm incorrect in saying that.

I thought I played it right...

Any Cap PLO experts disagree??

I agree you played it right (although I'm not a PLO expert).

i been having a good streak like this too...

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What I was trying to say is that generally it's silly to play with a cap in a game that favors position, unless I'm incorrect in saying that.

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What if you're a newbie who sucks at turn & river play? What if you're used to playing PLO tournaments or SnG's? Would it be smart to play 200bb deep full stacked PLO?

Its true, that there are bigger edges to be had on the turn & river. But if you lack the skills to exploit them, or your competition is even worse in short stacked situations, why is playing cap PLO a bad thing? Villain in this hand stacked 4d Qc Jh 6d with no fold equity, its obviously a pretty juicy game.

The "good players" are always averse to playing capped or limit games, citing that there's bigger edges in the big bet games. However, maybe that's why, in my experience, they're so profitable...

I'd never chastise someone for playing a game they're good at and that they find profitable.

I'm not trying to turn this into a cap vs. no cap thread, but to say the game itself is silly warrants a response.

^^ fair enough, I secede.

c9h13no3 said:

What if you're a newbie who sucks at turn & river play? What if you're used to playing PLO tournaments or SnG's? Would it be smart to play 200bb deep full stacked PLO?

Its true, that there are bigger edges to be had on the turn & river. But if you lack the skills to exploit them, or your competition is even worse in short stacked situations, why is playing cap PLO a bad thing? Villain in this hand stacked 4d Qc Jh 6d with no fold equity, its obviously a pretty juicy game.

The "good players" are always averse to playing capped or limit games, citing that there's bigger edges in the big bet games. However, maybe that's why, in my experience, they're so profitable...

I'd never chastise someone for playing a game they're good at and that they find profitable.

I'm not trying to turn this into a cap vs. no cap thread, but to say the game itself is silly warrants a response.

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That is exactly the reason why I switched to Cap PLO from regular PLO.

Dealer: Hand #20043443590
Dealer: LarsNL posts the small blind of $0.01
Dealer: chungwnog1213 posts the big blind of $0.02
Dealer: You have been dealt [Qs 3h 3s Qc]
Dealer: meqlod folds
Dealer: Michael Arkle raises to $0.06
Dealer: atlantafalcons0 raises to $0.21
Dealer: LarsNL folds
Dealer: chungwnog1213 folds
Dealer: Michael Arkle calls $0.15
Dealer: The flop is [6d Tc 2h]
Dealer: Michael Arkle checks
Dealer: atlantafalcons0 bets $0.45
Dealer: Michael Arkle folds
Dealer: Uncalled bet of $0.45 returned to atlantafalcons0
Dealer: atlantafalcons0 mucks
Dealer: atlantafalcons0 wins the pot ($0.42)

Like on this hand, If this was regular PLO - I wouldn't make this bet on the flop...since the pot is capped at .80c for everyone, it allows me to bet without having to risk my whole stack on later streets.

Here is another example:

Dealer: Hand #20043498176
Dealer: LarsNL posts the small blind of $0.01
Dealer: chungwnog1213 posts the big blind of $0.02
Dealer: You have been dealt [7c Jd 2h Jc]
Dealer: meqlod folds
Dealer: Calvini calls $0.02
Dealer: Michael Arkle folds
Dealer: atlantafalcons0 raises to $0.09
Dealer: LarsNL calls $0.08
Dealer: chungwnog1213 folds
Dealer: Calvini calls $0.07
Dealer: The flop is [9s 8h Ts]
Dealer: LarsNL checks
Dealer: Calvini bets $0.29
Dealer: atlantafalcons0 raises to $0.71, and is capped
Dealer: LarsNL folds
Dealer: Calvini calls $0.42, and is capped
Dealer: atlantafalcons0 shows [7c Jd 2h Jc]
Dealer: Calvini shows [Th 6c 6s 7d]
Dealer: The turn is [5d]
Dealer: The river is [6d]
Dealer: atlantafalcons0 shows a straight, Jack high
Dealer: Calvini shows a straight, Ten high
Dealer: atlantafalcons0 wins the pot ($1.60) with a straight, Jack high

One more:

Dealer: Hand #20043528397
Dealer: Michael Arkle posts the small blind of $0.01
Dealer: atlantafalcons0 posts the big blind of $0.02
Dealer: You have been dealt [5h Ks 9c Kc]
Dealer: LarsNL calls $0.02
Dealer: chungwnog1213 folds
Dealer: meqlod folds
Dealer: Michael Arkle calls $0.01
Dealer: atlantafalcons0 raises to $0.08
Dealer: LarsNL calls $0.06
Dealer: Michael Arkle calls $0.06
Dealer: The flop is [Kd Qc 5c]
Dealer: Michael Arkle checks
Dealer: atlantafalcons0 bets $0.24
Dealer: LarsNL raises to $0.72, and is capped
Dealer: Michael Arkle folds
Dealer: Michael Arkle is sitting out
Dealer: atlantafalcons0 calls $0.48, and is capped
Dealer: LarsNL shows [Ah Th 5d 5s]
Dealer: atlantafalcons0 shows [5h Ks 9c Kc]
Dealer: The turn is [6h]
Dealer: The river is [3h]
Dealer: LarsNL shows three of a kind, Fives
Dealer: atlantafalcons0 shows three of a kind, Kings
Dealer: atlantafalcons0 wins the pot ($1.57) with three of a kind, Kings

Thanks you guys. This thread opened my eyes to a lot I didn't know about the differences with PLO and PLO with a cap.