cant fold...

Hello everyone.
I am confounded when i play sometimes i have great combination but i know to the oponents have a better hand and i know that but i call...
How can decite fold good hand...
Like today i got AQ and Flop be Q 2 4 5 2 and i know to the oponent have KK but whatever i call...
How to fold?

How do you know he had KK?

FanatsLV said:

Hello everyone.
I am confounded when i play sometimes i have great combination but i know to the oponents have a better hand and i know that but i call...
How can decite fold good hand...
Like today i got AQ and Flop be Q 2 4 5 2 and i know to the oponent have KK but whatever i call...
How to fold?

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Somehow i doubt that you have that feeling , but if you feel that oponent has K K just fold , simple is that.

IPlay said:

How do you know he had KK?

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i just feel that and very often mistaken and i call and i sea that cards what i think he is...
but cant fold?

Speedexas said:

Somehow i doubt that you have that feeling , but if you feel that oponent has K K just fold , simple is that.

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but if i fold i lose big pot if i call i to lost big pots but if i have not right i win...

Not surr what answer you are looking for. But if I think I am beat/behind and most likely not wimmong with no good draws. I am folding. Now just to say i have AQ and I knew he had KK? How? Don't just start assuming they always have you beat. Focus on reading them.

This is a lack of discipline, i suffered from it too in my early days. I'd strongly suggest folding the worst hand it will save you a lot of money in the long run if you have a feeling your beat just let your hand go, sometimes we'll fold out the best hand but if we went with our instincts that we were beat it's fine, remember that money saved is money earned.


How are you putting villain on such a limited range? Obviously something happened pre that we don't know about

if you feel you are beat , then you should fold , you can understant from his bet range, because people don't bet for garbage hands ( if he is value betting )

Thats why experience is very important. You have to feel the patterns of that poker site. Then by then, your intuition sharpens and confident to either proceed or let go.

thatgreekdude said:

This is a lack of discipline, i suffered from it too in my early days. I'd strongly suggest folding the worst hand it will save you a lot of money in the long run if you have a feeling your beat just let your hand go, sometimes we'll fold out the best hand but if we went with our instincts that we were beat it's fine, remember that money saved is money earned.


How are you putting villain on such a limited range? Obviously something happened pre that we don't know about

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thanks men this is first nice answer on this treat...
i try listen to your advice...

You're leaving out way too many details: which means you are over simplifying the game. You are basing your decision by YOUR OWN HOLDING. This is the wrong kind of thinking!!!

Is top pair top kicker a good holding? Answer: It depends. On a board that isn't hitting most of your opponent's range, it's a strong holding. On a board that's hitting a lot of your opponent's range, it's a marginal holding.

It's all relative. At all times you should be trying to figure out a reasonable range for your opponent and trying to narrow it down as things progress. Because that's what your opponent is doing to you. If I have KK, and the flop comes out Queen high I WANT you to have AQ. I am looking up to the poker heavens and thinking "please give him AQ so I can extract at least two streets from this guy." So when I'm betting (or checking), I'm betting to either confirm or eliminate parts of your range that include you pairing your queen.

A literal fish is an animal with very linear thinking. Fish smell food, fish want food, fish bite on food, fish isn't paying attention to hook through the food or the fact that other fish have been getting yanked out of the water with a hook through their nose.

To continue, this is why they say "don't bluff a fish." They won't understand the implications of your betting if you do it well, so it won't work. The only way to do it is a brute force bluff, and fish sometimes call those off because they would rather lose their stack than be bluffed.

It took discipline to fold.I once saw a guy fold an AA post flop during the bubble in a tournament.Its not that hard once you are well disciplined and know when to fold in a situation that you cannot win.

Its simple,try to fold often preflop,fold Ak,fold Aq and try to fold like 75% of hands you would call/raise... After 5-10 mins resume your old game and see what happens....
I have problem that i cant fold but thats like set,str8 on flush board,flush on full house board and such...

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FanatsLV said:

Hello everyone.
I am confounded when i play sometimes i have great combination but i know to the oponents have a better hand and i know that but i call...
How can decite fold good hand...
Like today i got AQ and Flop be Q 2 4 5 2 and i know to the oponent have KK but whatever i call...
How to fold?

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Since when flops come with 5 cards?

Anyway, sounds like a story where you call a 3bet with AQ.
If you know you're behind preflop then fold there.

Did I just read 'but whatever I call"?

Maybe it's forgivable at higher stakes to balance your range but saying this at the microstakes is pure negligence.

There's a difference between "knowing" he has KK and thinking there's a decent probability he does. If you know, then fold. If there's only a decent probability, then consider his range and the pot odds.

FanatsLV said:

Hello everyone.
I am confounded when i play sometimes i have great combination but i know to the oponents have a better hand and i know that but i call...
How can decite fold good hand...
Like today i got AQ and Flop be Q 2 4 5 2 and i know to the oponent have KK but whatever i call...
How to fold?

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Here's an example of discipline fold when you feel you're beat.

poker stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BTN: $2.00
SB: $2.16
BB: $2.76
Hero (UTG): $5.23
MP: $1.52
CO: $1.19

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is UTG with A:heart: K:heart:
Hero raises to $0.06, MP calls $0.06, 3 folds, BB calls $0.04

Flop: ($0.19) A:club: 5:diamond: 2:spade: (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, MP bets $0.08, BB raises to $0.25, Hero folds, MP calls $0.17

Turn: ($0.69) 6:heart: (2 players)
BB bets $0.50, MP raises to $1.21 all in, BB calls $0.71

Final Pot: $3.11
BB shows 2:heart: 2:diamond: (three of a kind, Deuces)
MP shows 5:spade: 5:club: (three of a kind, Fives)
MP wins $1.50
MP wins $1.50
(Rake: $0.11)

Also a very nice flop check on that dry board. Well played.

Speedexas said:

Here's an example of discipline fold when you feel you're beat.

Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BTN: $2.00
SB: $2.16
BB: $2.76
Hero (UTG): $5.23
MP: $1.52
CO: $1.19

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is UTG with A<font color='red'>♥</font> K<font color='red'>♥</font>
Hero raises to $0.06, MP calls $0.06, 3 folds, BB calls $0.04

Flop: ($0.19) A<font color='black'>♣</font> 5<font color='red'>♦</font> 2<font color='black'>♠</font> (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, MP bets $0.08, BB raises to $0.25, Hero folds, MP calls $0.17

Turn: ($0.69) 6<font color='red'>♥</font> (2 players)
BB bets $0.50, MP raises to $1.21 all in, BB calls $0.71

Final Pot: $3.11
BB shows 2<font color='red'>♥</font> 2<font color='red'>♦</font> (three of a kind, Deuces)
MP shows 5<font color='black'>♠</font> 5<font color='black'>♣</font> (three of a kind, Fives)
MP wins $1.50
MP wins $1.50
(Rake: $0.11)

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Woah, I think a cbet there should be stadard to get paid off by worse aces?

RodneyC86 said:

Woah, I think a cbet there should be stadard to get paid off by worse aces?

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That board is so dry what else are you getting paid off by? I personally like the check and take that line sometimes to get value from underpairs on the turn. I think a lot of times you bet that flop you are running into 2 pair, straights, and sets. It also can induce bets from much worse hands so I think there is value in checking. I also like betting though, but not 100% of the time.

IPlay said:

Also a very nice flop check on that dry board. Well played.

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RodneyC86 said:

Woah, I think a cbet there should be stadard to get paid off by worse aces?

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What if i wanted a lil checkraise huh??? Their calling range is pairs , A highs and K highs mostly , because they both were tight. If one of them had A Q he would not throw it away after getting check raised on that kind of a dry flop. The pot would be fairly big on the turn so i could bet bigger . You can't just AUTO cbet everytime with AK on A high flop , there are some oponents where i may even check call flop and lead on the turn. It's oponent dependant.

IPlay said:

That board is so dry what else are you getting paid off by? I personally like the check and take that line sometimes to get value from underpairs on the turn. I think a lot of times you bet that flop you are running into 2 pair, straights, and sets. It also can induce bets from much worse hands so I think there is value in checking. I also like betting though, but not 100% of the time.

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Maybe it's just me, but I still vastly prefer cbetting and then checking the turn for pot control and getting more value on river against the reggy types. We're cbetting loads anyway on an A high flop and only nits will automatically put us on an Ace and fold middling pairs.... These same guys won't pay our AK Tptk anyway. If we check raise we might be overvaluing TPTK imo. We'll get most hands that we beat to only put in one street of value cause they will fold and we will get chewed up by better for 2 streets (we check raised right?)

Then again

Like he said, it all depends on the villain in these spots.

RodneyC86 said:

Maybe it's just me, but I still vastly prefer cbetting and then checking the turn for pot control and getting more value on river against the reggy types. We're cbetting loads anyway on an A high flop and only nits will automatically put us on an Ace and fold middling pairs.... These same guys won't pay our AK Tptk anyway. If we check raise we might be overvaluing TPTK imo. We'll get most hands that we beat to only put in one street of value cause they will fold and we will get chewed up by better for 2 streets (we check raised right?)

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The player with 5 5 was 11/9 after almost 200 hands. If i bet he will definitely fold pairs , but as he is so nitty he has a lot A high's in his range that wont fold to a checkraise. The player with 2 2 was running 21/17 but he seemed to be a careful player. If i CR on that kinda rainbow board NIT will continue with his AQ , AJ and the BB will probably fold. Also if BB calls NITS bet i still can CR and even if they both fold i will still win more than i would if i was cbetting. And unless theres Q or J on the turn i can continue betting on the bigger side. Actually i dont get why BB raised that board , but its just personal preference to slowplay or not i guess.