Calling when you know your beat

colbear · Mar 11, 2017

Do you call when you know your beat for information . At the tables people ask me why I do it or laugh at my play when I do it .

I think knowledge of your opponents is most important part of the game at the level I play. $1/2 $2/5 no limit or $5 to $20 MTT . So if I have a big chip stack and my opponent bets small I will quite often call even if I'm 90% sure he has me beat just to see what he's got when he's betting like this .I don't do it if I've got a good read on him if he's been at my table all day . I do if it's a new player or if it's a new play by a existing player . I find the info can be quite valuable in the future when he makes the same play . For instance if he does it on air or a week hand you can push him later . if he does it to just get a few chips on a monster you know it's ok to fold .

Any thoughts on this

pazzo1213 · Mar 11, 2017

I tend not to call when I know I'm beat. Those small pots add up and it's a negative EV play in the long run. I'd rather control the pot and pick spots as opposed to call off when I know I'm beat simply for info. Regardless that individual is able to switch up his play just as quick as you and what if he's altering his play to get thin value knowing that's potentially what your angle is.

pescaofish · Mar 11, 2017

I do but in a different set up. In a long Tournament when I am short on chips and I am left with minimum, then I will call even if I know I am lost. just wanted to end the suffering!

Abramo Della Luce · Mar 11, 2017

I do this sometimes, when the opponents bet is so small, and I don't have a good read yet.
So basically just for informative purposes.
And the funny thing is, even if you think you're beat, you might get a nice surprise

Chaulko · Mar 11, 2017

I don't typically when I'm certain I'm beat unless like you said, the bet is small and I can afford to look him up. I have however won a hand with high card 8 once by making a soft call to a river bet, just to look him up. Sometimes it pays off with chips, but you always get some info.

PokerNuts01 · Mar 11, 2017

I did this sometimes at the beginning and its as simple as just not doing it anymore, just stop it.
There's a huge amount of information available at any table, once you start to listen to it your game will improve alot.

akmost · Mar 11, 2017

Totally fine by me. You will gather very useful information for the opponent. And you will be able to analyze better the same betting pattern in some future hands. Since poker is a game of incomplete information you can ''complete'' this info by paying a cheaply showdown. Let the others laugh and do whatever fits you right!

A problem may occur if you keep doing this when you are deep in the tournament and lose a big chunk of your stack

colbear · Mar 11, 2017

akmost said:
Totally fine by me. You will gather very useful information for the opponent. And you will be able to analyze better the same betting pattern in some future hands. Since poker is a game of incomplete information you can ''complete'' this info by paying a cheaply showdown. Let the others laugh and do whatever fits you right!

A problem may occur if you keep doing this when you are deep in the tournament and lose a big chunk of your stack

I only do this when its an insignificant amount of chips related to my stack

kay1919kay · Mar 11, 2017

I do this alot to get a feel for the players sometimes it pays off others it back fires big time. However I am going to try not calling when I am beat for now on and play my game and see how that fairs.

akmost · Mar 11, 2017

colbear said:
I only do this when its an insignificant amount of chips related to my stack

Haha yeap I know I'm just kidding I put in the end the ''

'' . So keep doing it in the early stages,I do it as well for the same reason! Best of luck sir!!

dlam · Mar 11, 2017

The players tha give me the most trouble are fishy passive agressive ones that I try to semibluff or bluff but they call or raise in anticipation of me betting.
I dislike these players cause they don't add anything substantial preflop or flop and try to get all their money in at the river hoping to catch something. Rarely bluff and know I'm beat but they are so short stacked that I have to call

Gphillips15 · Mar 11, 2017

I sometimes if I've bin playing for to long maybe call it fatigue or something I dunno. But it always seems to get me. I try just stop playing and having a break but I never do lol.

sonebrate996 · Mar 12, 2017

It has to be minimum. If it is, you are pro poker player

shinedown.45 · Mar 12, 2017

colbear said:
Do you call when you know your beat for information . At the tables people ask me why I do it or laugh at my play when I do it .

I think knowledge of your opponents is most important part of the game at the level I play. $1/2 $2/5 no limit or $5 to $20 MTT . So if I have a big chip stack and my opponent bets small I will quite often call even if I'm 90% sure he has me beat just to see what he's got when he's betting like this .I don't do it if I've got a good read on him if he's been at my table all day . I do if it's a new player or if it's a new play by a existing player . I find the info can be quite valuable in the future when he makes the same play . For instance if he does it on air or a week hand you can push him later . if he does it to just get a few chips on a monster you know it's ok to fold .

Any thoughts on this

I find when a player bets small, they have hit the board but only have top pair no kicker, middle pair, bottom pair or even a draw and a re-raise into them will usually result in a fold.

It doesn't make sense to call a losing bet, especially in a cash game, even if you are fishing for information, there is no need to pay for it.
You can get all the information you need on your opponent just by simple observation.
If you do this in cash games regularly, stop it, you're wasting money and you don't have to.

RidersFan · Mar 12, 2017

I do call when I know I'm beat for information or to confirm that my read is correct. You do sometimes get a nice surprise a win when your opponent is value betting light or making a small bluff bet

karl coakley · Mar 13, 2017

PokerNuts01 said:
I did this sometimes at the beginning and its as simple as just not doing it anymore, just stop it.
There's a huge amount of information available at any table, once you start to listen to it your game will improve alot.

I agree, usually you are at the same table enough to see a villain go to showdown with someone else. Even small bets are chips that I can put into a winning pot vs a losing pot.

PKRNRS · Mar 13, 2017

I call when I know I beat just out of stupidity. I know I should fold but I just can't.

Carlosypoker · Mar 20, 2017

Studying opponents and psychology in poker is as important as strategy.

Each player must be studied under different conditions in order to make a decision based on his actions

steve101651 · Mar 20, 2017

I agree with you. The information is very useful. I have at times called for value, almost certain I was beat... but won with Ace high, or a pair of 5's to my surprise. Makes me think twice when up against LAG's.

John Bor · Mar 20, 2017

I do this sometimes, when the opponents play so horrable))))

elitenuts · Mar 26, 2017

I think sometimes it is well worth it to call just for info - seeing someone's card will teach you a great deal!

Carlosypoker · Mar 26, 2017

I prefer to make continuation, bluff and semi-bluff bets.

When there are passive players they can wait until the river without paying to complete their projects, it is better to throw them of the hand before they complete some project with weak letters or making slow play

Awrpze · Mar 28, 2017

I usually do.

sekcapilniqt · Mar 28, 2017

as well so when you're a little zippers wait shoving and prekluchvay if you win you very well back in the game if you do not win the other will play better

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