calculating odds

Ofarah said:

On the flop you multiply your outs by 4 and then on the turn you multiply your outs for 2 to realize your odds to hit the outs. Hope this helps!!

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Allyte said:

Sorry I am very new to these and could be missing something basic that most would assume that I would know.
Please bare that in mind, thanks

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Ofarah said:

It is hard to say without you providing the villains hands and more info. My guess is that you had more outs than you thought due to split pot possibilities.

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ohshootmybad said:

on your odds chart sheet, you were looking at the odds of hitting 6 outs by the turn or river, which is ~25%. the odds of hitting on the turn only, after the flop, is ~13%. the same for hitting on the river, from the turn.

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diego farfan said:

you have to put the exact data in relation to the tournament you want to analyze from the number of players, awards the icm and if necessary the boutis if so warranted so if you will have the exact data to analyze your hands and detect where you made a mistake

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Allyte said:

Cool thank you.
This 13% you say tied in with my calculations and it looks like this is how I misused the sheet.
Your font is hard to look at after a few drinks 😁

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ohshootmybad said:

haha. whoops, my bad. i hope i didn't strain your eyeballs too much.

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Allyte said:

Hello
I would like to know why my calculations are different than any cheat sheets.
Example;
I need to make trips with jacks with 1 on the board and another in my hand
There is also is a possible straight with a Q needed.
So there should be 6 outs (could be wrong) and I used the cheat sheat.
The sheat said 24.1% and I had the odds to call but after when I calculated myself I divided my 6 outs by the cards left, 4 on the board and 2 in my hand leaves 46.
So 6/46 = 13% and not the 24.1% showen on a few cheat sheets.
What am I not understanding?

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mt2lhd said:

I use this formula for pot odds: If the action is on flop and you did not see Trun card yet then: Outs*4
If you saw Turn card : Outs*2

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• outs * 2 if river isn't guaranteed from flop (ie: you have chance to fold to a bet on a future street)
• outs * 4 if river is guaranteed from flop (ie: a player is all-in and there is no chance of betting on future streets)
• you will use outs * 2 more often, outs * 4 is rare

Allyte said:

Ha ha.
I’m glad I didn’t see that last night.
What font is that, or is it many?

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ohshootmybad said:

sorry, but this is incorrect.

you only use the outs * 4 formula if you're guaranteed to see the river. this is only possible if it's guaranteed there will be no more betting after the flop. otherwise, you need to do outs * 2 for the flop-to-turn and outs * 2 for the turn-to-river.

the reason is the chance of future betting after the flop and after the turn. you need to calculate the odds of hitting on those specific streets independently, otherwise you will be giving yourself too high of odds to hit and will calling with incorrect odds or in -ev situations.

general rule:

• outs * 2 if river isn't guaranteed from flop (ie: you have chance to fold to a bet on a future street)
• outs * 4 if river is guaranteed from flop (ie: a player is all-in and there is no chance of betting on future streets)
• you will use outs * 2 more often, outs * 4 is rare

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mt2lhd said:

Thank you, but i mentioned outs * 2 for turn-to-river in my last sentence, I think you missed it, You explained the rule nice and complete

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