Is the c-bet still a valuable play?

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I remember when I red "The green book of poker" about 10 years ago, explaining the value of c-bets, but nowadays, even playing freeroll, I see a lot of players calling/raising a c-bet. Whats the true value of a c-bet? Do you think it lost its "prestige"?
 
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I think the c-bat is still a valuable play but as for it's true value that depends on your game. I use c-bets about 60-65% of the time, compared to 10 years ago when I would c-bet 90-95% of the time. So other the years it has lost some value for me as far as taking pot down on the flop as people float more now and with a wider range of hands. So I use it more selectively and with a plan in mind as well as thinking about my opponents range. So in that respect it has added value to some spots. Like when you raise with AK and get one call. The flop comes 10 3 4 rainbow, were 10 years ago I would bet and take the pot. Now you'll get float by KJ and J9 type hands adding value to this spot. Obviously the hand can play out many different ways but overall there is added value in this spot compared to 10 years ago.
 
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Most people who flat call in position preflop is already planning on calling your C-Bet unless the flop is completely terrible for their perceived hand range
 
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yes still value play.
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Perhaps you are devaluing your c-bet yourself. As RidersFan wrote above, you do not need to do this in 95% of cases. C-bet should show the strength of your preflop raise. If you continue every time - it just says that you continue every time, regardless of the cards on the table ...
 
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Andrew Popov said:
Perhaps you are devaluing your c-bet yourself. As RidersFan wrote above, you do not need to do this in 95% of cases. C-bet should show the strength of your preflop raise. If you continue every time - it just says that you continue every time, regardless of the cards on the table ...
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This, and when you know that your opponent does that, it is easily exploitable when you know you are ahead, let them continue raising.

I love it when opponents raise and raise then type in chat ??? as if they can't believe that you kept calling with e.g. a middle pair.

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C-betting should we used with caution and preferably not all the time as you could become predictable. In freerolls the issue is that there are a lot of fishes, so the value of the c-bet diminishes.
 
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I C-Bet, but I do pot C-Bet because I hate people who call you down to the river with junk hands and hit. So if you're going to call me you're going to pay the full toll fee for this ride. It keeps people off me plus I gain a little EV and fatten up the pot from it. They know when I C-Bet I have a made hand, but sometimes I don't lol.
 
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I can not imagine how to play without c-bet. I mean you have to balance your c-bets sure but they are definitely a valuable play.
 
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I use more c-bets when my picture is good on the table.
 
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RidersFan said:
I think the c-bat is still a valuable play but as for it's true value that depends on your game. I use c-bets about 60-65% of the time, compared to 10 years ago when I would c-bet 90-95% of the time. So other the years it has lost some value for me as far as taking pot down on the flop as people float more now and with a wider range of hands. So I use it more selectively and with a plan in mind as well as thinking about my opponents range. So in that respect it has added value to some spots. Like when you raise with AK and get one call. The flop comes 10 3 4 rainbow, were 10 years ago I would bet and take the pot. Now you'll get float by KJ and J9 type hands adding value to this spot. Obviously the hand can play out many different ways but overall there is added value in this spot compared to 10 years ago.
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Perfect. I just realized that now, I'm playing everyday and different formats from STTs, MTTs and Spin n Go and C-bet has different value between each type of play, and its diminished specially in freerolls, but its still very valuable at Spin n Go. But like 10 years ago you could Cbet 90% of the time, getting excellent EV.
 
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I still believe the c-bet is still valuable.

I use it still however players are catching on and its harder to steal pots because players are more loose and like to quote "burn" chips just to get satisfaction of spotting a bluff.
 
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c-bet still a valuable play, but it's board dependant. Sometimes a delayed c-bet is way more effective when your equity gets better.
 
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I think as more people have come to understand the C-bet that it has lost some of its value. I would still consider it an important part of your game but needs to be used with more selection than before.
 
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I think cbets are over used by a lot of players. many times if you call there flop cbet, they slowdown and check the turn when they missed again. some will continue to barrel, but that's when you hope you have a hand to pick them off with.
 
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My personal opinion, C - Bet will always be a profitable game, the right thing to use.
 
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yes c bet will always be a valuable play
 
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I use more c-bets when everything is good on the table.
 
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C-betting is still very useful, I just think I play them a little more tightly than I used to; I need a slightly higher chance on the flop than I used to. A lot of people want to see the river no matter what so you want to build that pot. I tend to raise on the turn if I have a decent hand to try and stop them from just seeing every bet though so that I've build equity on the flop and shut them down on the turn. Obviously, you need to vary your strategy regardless to ensure they can't read you too easily.

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I remember when I red "The green book of poker" about 10 years ago, explaining the value of c-bets, but nowadays, even playing freeroll, I see a lot of players calling/raising a c-bet. Whats the true value of a c-bet? Do you think it lost its "prestige"?
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I don't know, maybe I'm a freak but my entire strategy is build on punishing guys that c-bet.
 
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Speedbruce said:
c-bet still a valuable play, but it's board dependant. Sometimes a delayed c-bet is way more effective when your equity gets better.
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That's a 'Stop n Go' not a c-bet.

After not too long, most players will suspect that a constant c-bettor is just that. It might take a lot longer to figure out how to deal with that constant c-bettor, but between now and then, the constant c-bettor is getting that advantage.

So, yeah, it still works. It's disadvantage is that it is so easy to over-use. And when it fails, it tends to fail catastrophically, perhaps because the constant c-bettor also has the double barrel gene regardless of what reality is.
 
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dj11 said:
That's a 'Stop n Go' not a c-bet.

After not too long, most players will suspect that a constant c-bettor is just that. It might take a lot longer to figure out how to deal with that constant c-bettor, but between now and then, the constant c-bettor is getting that advantage.

So, yeah, it still works. It's disadvantage is that it is so easy to over-use. And when it fails, it tends to fail catastrophically, perhaps because the constant c-bettor also has the double barrel gene regardless of what reality is.
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You are right, and the second barrel can be very expensive in later sagres, when the pot gets
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