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OK so I understand the importance of position and what an advantage being on the button is.....but is there ever a time when you shouldn't raise on the button if everyone behind you has limped....I've heard several people say that raising in position is always the way to go but if I have an extremely weak hand whats the point in trying to clear out limpers???
 
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we are normally raising in position over limpers with a strong hand for value, if we don't have a strong hand then we can't raise for value.. so we don't.

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So obviously without a quality hand or the knowledge you can get weaker players to fold raising the button is of no importance???
 
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yupp pretty much, especially when you're playing at games with loads of limpers (indicates weak/bad players) they won't notice you're only raising strong hands in position and adjust, they'll just keep playing bad and paying you off.

have fun making your moniez.
 
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I have something I would like to add.

Don't raise the button just because. If you have 6 limpers, you can assume nothing as to hand strength. Let's say you look down at 8-10 suited. This is what I may raise with on the button in multiple-limper situations. You can then narrow down the hands agaist you.

So now you get 2 calls. 3 going to flop. You can assume maybe A-rag off or suited, maybe a baby pair, or two painted cards. With all the donks it is still guesswork.

Now you go to the flop. If it looks draw heavy, and u missed, check behind if they check to you. However, a dry board is a good chance for a c-bet. Also if you hit the flop hard, you will be in position. You will easily be able to extract max value against loose aggressive opponents.

People love to trap with big hands. Be careful on the button. Check/calls and check raises should make you re-asses your hand. Many inexperienced players will check call and pop you later.

Also, c-bet when you can draw to a strong hand. Open ended and/or flush draws are good situations. C-betting a board where you have no draws is not advised. The opponent could call you and make his hand. Then you c-bet again and he check raises you. You can see how this can turn into a huge leak. As always, a good read of your opponent makes all decisions much easier. Always consider what your opponent holds, your hand is irrelevant (it is relevant, but not if you can get them to fold).

And furthermore:
It is very difficult to bluff bad players. Consider this before attempting to raise the button with marginal hands. A bad player might not even notice how dangerous a board is. It is difficult to represent a strong hand against a donk who only sees his hand.

This entire post is my opinion, and nothing more.
 
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If your going to bet at all in that position, I believe it is favorable to raise as your the last to bet so you are in a great position to steal and if the cards come out where everyone just limps after the flop you can usually steal the pot here with nothing in your hand. Of course, you have to watch for someone who might be slowplaying you for your stack, but besides that, it's a good posititon to play regardless of the hand. Thing is, you don't want to do it every time your on the button unless you do have good hole cards because some people will catch on, but every third or so time it comes around, your on the button and everyone else limps in, raise at least three times the bet with any hand, then if the cards work in your favor, take down the pot. You can always fold after the flop, if it doesn't look good, but more times than not, you will have a chance to steal the pot when your on the button. Of course, you have to also consider the texture of the table ... who limped in the pot before you.. .... are there any maniacs... any agressive players... etc.. etc...
 
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I forgot to add one thing. Most players have good pre-flop skills. It is after the flop where the true skill emerges. If you are a good post flop player, raise the button more frequently. If you are inexperienced in post flop play, don't put yourself in sketchy situations.

That is all.
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