Originally Posted by swingro
Than i will put the question again.
For Exp players. Will you fold in the Sng Bubble with an average stack when the outcome could be your elimination 1/3 of the time?
Same for the MTT.
You can't compare MTT's to one table SNG's. The way we approach them is different.
Originally Posted by atlantafalcons0
I'm not folding queens on the bubble of a 9 man sng ever.
This is very short sided and you need to listen to situations such as these to improve your game.
Originally Posted by StormRaven
I am not folding this either. And I will tell you why. When I play sng's, my goal is always the same, to take first. Anytime I am a huge favorite to win and accumulate more chips, I am taking it. I am not playing to just barely get in to the money. Going out on the bubble is frustrating for sure, but I will do it every time in that situation.
Your goal when you play SNG's shouldn't be to take first. It's not an MTT. True the bulk of the money is still at first place, but the pay outs in relation to the buyin doesn't even compare to MTT's.
One table SNG's are all about equity. If you are serious about SNG's you should really get "Sit N go Strategy" by Collin Moshman. Basically, the reason we are going to think differently in a SNG is because only three places make money. Because of this chips decline in value. The more chips you have, the less each chip is worth. However, the less chips you have the more each chip is worth.
If you are playing a $10 SNG, you get 1,500 chips to start. $10/1500= .006, so the worth of each chip is .006 cents. If you win the SNG, you win $45 for collecting all 13,500 chips. $45/13,500= .003. If the tournament were winner take all then each chip would be worth .006, but because second and third make money when they are eliminated, this causes the difference in chip value from the start of the tournament to the end.
So to modify the OP a little bit. Lets say you have QQ and a player shoves that has the exact same size stack as you. If we ignore the chance of a split pot, three things will happen. We fold, and the guy that shoved wins the blinds and gains a small amount of equity, while the blinds lose some. We call and we win the AIPF, everyone at the table increases equity at the table due to a player being eliminated and the bubble breaking. And third we call and we lose and everyone at the table increases in equity, except us, our equity falls to zero and we are done.
Your goal in a one table SNG should be to survive first, make the money, then play for first.