blown bankrolls and major tilt, beginner needs advice

Hi All
newcomer to the site but not that new to poker. im a regular cash game player with friends and others who are not all that great. i realised quickly that i had the potential to be a good player so about 2 weeks ago i decided to set up a stars and full tilt account. long story short i have ran horrific and blew about 80 dollars before getting my head out and buying blackrains book and downloading pokertracker. i have noticed that i pervieved myself as tight and agressive when really i was quite loose( VPIP around 32ish for 6max and pfr around 27) i found myself shooving with marginal coin flips and wondering why i was busting regularly. i was also under rolled playing nl5 with 50 dollars bankroll. basicaly i have busted 130 dollars or so in 2 weeks but feel as tough much of this was before i invested in two prime pieces of help. my question is should i re-roll and grind nl2 again or should i leave it for awhile ? tilting is a major problem also as i wonder why i loose in marginal situations such as pocket queens verse AKs ! ive been doing alot of study of strategies and realise a tight agressive player will beat micro-stakes but my idea of tight is alot looser than what the scripts say ! so in other words should i start fresh and write of old losses maybe wait a day or two or should i stop playing for a few months or should i just stop completly. i have made 4 different deposits in 2 weeks 40,30,30,30 but the first 100 were due to under-rolling and horrible game selection (heads-up sit and goes), thanks in advance guys

Ideally you need to seperate emotion from your game - completely, dont become an emotional retard man = these people pay our wages

if you know your strategy well enough to know what to look for and just focus on making correct decisions (that will come with practice and experience)
then the other half being observation/awareness - this allows you to gain an idea of ranges, styles, exploitive opportunities, and everything else that truely matters

Well dude, in your post i can see a lot of things that are blocking your mind in my opinion...

First one you need to trust in some method to improve your skills and your way of playng poker!

Second one, have you ever invest some time styding poker? If you're playing about 6 years and you think you dont know to play, i think you should take some books, articles or even videos (last step in my opinion), and invest your time (60/40 - studying/playing) on the beggining and then (30/70 - studying/playing). You really need to study to get skilled, no one grow up skilled, they need to learn with the best players.

Third one, probably you dont have patience, in that case, you should try to do a BR without deposit, just try to do a challenge to you, like 150$ just with freerolls. You said you lose every penny you deposit, so dont waste more until you get skilled. You need to training your patience.

Last one, if you aren't feel like to play poker, please dont play poker, just study in that moments or just take a break for some days or hours till you get motivated again. It is really important you are motivated, or you fall down in your golas. Make little challenges and try to get them.

I hope it helps dude! It is just my opinion, probably some people can not agree with me but i did that and i already have a nice BR without depositing...

Make challenges to yourself, get your goals!

Being able to beat your friends is not a reliable indicator of how well you can compete or what level you can be competitive at online.

You've lost 24 buyins at 5nl in 2 weeks. It's possible that this was due to running bad, but not particularly likely. How many hours did you play anyway? And on avg, how many tables at a time? This info is more meaningful than 2 weeks.

If you can't exercise better self-discipline, enough to mitigate the effects of tilt to a meaningful degree, you're probably better off to stop playing until you figure out how to.

Your BR is all the money you're willing to use for poker, not just the amount you have on whatever site you play.


Don't continue to fool yourself. You aren't tight. Telling yourself you're a relatively active tight player isn't likely to help you in any way.

If you started playing online at 5nl that's the first major mistake...if your a cash game player you need to beat 2nl over the course of a large amount of hands before even considering moving up...if you deposit $50 or so that is just borderline BRM for cash tables as you should have even more buyins if you are a new player online..Overrall your way too LAG...32/27 is way too big and it means your overvaluing marginal hands..try a new strategy if anything any just play top hands and go from there...If anything you need spend some time in play$ games and learn there since straight out jumping to real cash with no online experience is a bad route...Also try the bankroll mob freerolls and the pokerschooline open tourneys on stars

Diogo Jorge said:

Third one, probably you dont have patience, in that case, you should try to do a BR without deposit, just try to do a challenge to you, like 150$ just with freerolls. You said you lose every penny you deposit, so dont waste more until you get skilled. You need to training your patience.

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I hope it helps dude! It is just my opinion, probably some people can not agree with me but i did that and i already have a nice BR without depositing...

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Several years ago, freerolling was very different because there was a lot more money easily available. When I started playing online, I had only played enough to know basics like a flush beats a straight. Nonetheless, I won my first $150 from freerolls in less than 25 hours of playing time.

This wasn't normal; I did get lucky. At that time however, even a relative newbie could very quickly learn enough to win 0.25 to 0.50 per hour from freerolls.

But now, it's likely to take a LOT more time for a newbie to win his first $150 from freerolls. Diogo Jorge, how long did it take you?

IMO, if you have money you can easily afford to lose (which is the only money a recreational player should use), it's now better for a newbie to speed up your learning curve by playing at the lowest stakes as soon as you acquire a modicum of knowledge. You may well lose some money, but with a half-decent work ethic and some self-discipline, it won't take very long to become at least a BE player.

At that point, you'll be farther along your learning curve than you would be by sticking to freerolls. In the current online poker environment and within the context of planning to play poker for many years, the latter is basically a penny wise, pound foolish way to start.

Running bad is always the regular excuse for a losing poker player. You should rather take your hand histories and do some research as to where and how it went wrong. Also you have to go for long term success and therefore look after your bankroll rather than "under rolled" as you say which is not very smart thing to do.

I think to realize and rectify your mistakes you should take a break from playing for a while and during the break you should map out a plan to be successful next time around.

thanks for the advice guys and ive figured out a meaningful way to spend my hours playing poker. arjonious i usually play fragmented sessions of usually 3/4 hours at a time maybe 2 a day. i spend on average maybe 6 hrs playing and 2 studying poker. my methods of study are this forum where i browse various threads of various situations and hands. what tilts me most is that i realise directly after i make a horrible call or bet and it drives me insane. i realise my underrolling was very poor but i was a complete newbie to the online game and though that i would grind it out. my new direction is sit and gos as i had 1.50 dollars exactly in my account and have ground it upto 12 dollars today through little effort! i feel i have a marginal edge here as i actually play tight (vpip 21is with pfr 18ish) i loosen up as blinds raise completly taking advantage of my tight looking image ! i lower this for full ring to around vpip of 12/14 with pfr 10 ish ! i look back over big loosing hands and a common occurance is overbetting pre-flop and check-raising out of position with a marginal hand post-flop ! i have way to much gamble in me aswell meaning i see a situation where 5 times out of 10 the nit i play will have nuts but will risk it :/ flush v straight situations house over house situations ! all these comply to a massive loosing player !! thanks for the advice guys ! should i try build a roll using sit and gos and maybe go nl2 when im rolled 30 BI cause realistically i could easily go 20 BI down again ?

suby rafeal i am a loosing player atm and my initial post was to try change that by playing/studying or break from it ! im not using running bad as an excuse the results are plain to see and i want to change from a loosing to a winning player but can it be done without makng another heavy deposit so frequent to many very very stupid mistakes including bankroll and in-game plays ?

arjonious i realise im not tight hence the reason i said PERCIEVED MYSELF not i am and i also realise that beating my friends isnt reliable reason to load up a stars account and begin to make millions, what i want is advice as to my future online game ? i honestly believe that i can make money at this game and have upped my study and ive stopped and inly play sit and gos with the remains of my account. thanks for the replies all

darrenc222 said:

arjonious i realise im not tight hence the reason i said PERCIEVED MYSELF not i am and i also realise that beating my friends isnt reliable reason to load up a stars account and begin to make millions, what i want is advice as to my future online game ? i honestly believe that i can make money at this game and have upped my study and ive stopped and inly play sit and gos with the remains of my account. thanks for the replies all

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The more difference between how we perceive our game and the way we actually play, the harder it is to improve. so realizing your self-perception was incorrect is a positive step toward improving.

It's not particularly difficult to make some money from poker. But the difficulty curve rises pretty steeply if you're looking to make a lot.

Even how good you are, if you can break even at 3 months time starting from your first deposit. Ill consider you a champion.

Just play and play and never lose hope.

Good luck...

Im a fairly new player only taking it seriously for maybe 2 months I ONLY play SnGs and some MTT. Cash games make me nervous and can't focus, don't ask me why. With that being said I started with 75$ I'm currently at 308$ I've had ups and downs. Biggest this is not letting losing 5$ 10$ get to you get un attached to your money thats a big one. Study honestly you tubes been my biggest help but I'm getting into books also. If you feel like your tilting STOP don't keep playing chasing the 10$ you lost you will make stupid choices I've been there. Also things like being sleepy, hungry, stressed ect.. before you sit to play negatively effect your game. Believe it or not simply sitting straight up at a desk or something instead of lounging in a comfy chair will improve your game. Hope this helps STOP PLAYING TILTED the biggest thing

STOP PLAYING TILTED the biggest thing wowwwww that comentary

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STOP PLAYING TILTED the biggest thing wowwwww that comentary

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thanks again guys !! slicksam very good advice ive gotten into sngs the last couple days and have actually been successful ROI% around 23% which is a huge difference to loosing 130 dollars haha ! ive taken a new approach to the game where i play a SnG and in between games study for an hour so it works out to be 1:1 study to play with most study coming from youtube aswell ironically. I like to watch the pros and listen to the commentaries done by people like gripsed on how the game is played effectively. arjonious i have ACTUALLY tightened up my play toward the start of SnGs and only play premium hands so my VPIP and Pfr are about 12/10 early i add in suited connectors and smaller pairs as the blind go up making my stack maybe 20/25 big blinds deep and then firther loosen up toward the end when hopefully ill be heads up or 3 handed ! my worst downswing or bad run i suppose would be a run of 4 SnGs without cash ! i find there are quite alot of differences between cash and tourneys and i quite like the increasing blind system ! would this route be wrong to take going forward and what would the logical progression be ? i have added 20 bucks to the account and its upto 34 and change after a few days of SnGs ! thanks again for the advice im taking it all on board