Big preflop raise by Spazz LAG Tilt with multiple callers.

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V1 is LAG spazz on tilt. Big stack
V2 is tight. Small stack.
V3 is tight and is TAG. Big stack.
Hero is medium stack.

Hero get AJo.
V1 bets big ($150)
V2 calls (all in)
V3 calls.
Hero decides to call, thinking maybe V2 and V3 have marginal hands, but may have called knowing V1 spazz is playing any 2 cards and running all over the table.

V2 has pocket pair and wins.

Was this a blunder by Hero?
 
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V1 is LAG spazz on tilt. Big stack
V2 is tight. Small stack.
V3 is tight and is TAG. Big stack.
Hero is medium stack.

Hero get AJo.
V1 bets big ($150)
V2 calls (all in)
V3 calls.
Hero decides to call, thinking maybe V2 and V3 have marginal hands, but may have called knowing V1 spazz is playing any 2 cards and running all over the table.

V2 has pocket pair and wins.

Was this a blunder by Hero?

Yes, this was a big blunder by Hero. AJ off plays terribly multiway and will almost never be the best hand preflop in this situation (or any similar situation).

-HooDooKoo
 
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Did you put all three of the all-in players on air? If even one of them has AK or AQ, you are in terrible shape.

Even calling with Ace-King would be a terrible spew.
 
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This game sounds like a goldmine. I'd fold in this spot though.
 
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Easy fold. You should be afraid of V2 or V3.
 
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I thought V2 and V3 were calling b/c V1 was a spazz playing ATC.
I assumed they had marginal hands
 
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AJ itself is a marginal hand. So even if hero thinks the two players who went all have marginal hands it does not make any difference because his own hand is not strong enough to call in a multiway all in situation.

After you make this call and flip over your cards i am sure the two villains wouldn't mind being up against AJ.:eek:
 
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If it was you HU with AJ against the maniac, no problem calling there.

Tight players generally are not going to call off with marginal hands, even against a maniac. Just because somebody is a maniac doesn't mean they're not going to pick up a premium hand once in a while.

You're virtually always going to be a huge dog in this situation. Like others have said, even AK is going to be a problem when you have multiple tight players willing to throw a lot of chips in pre-flop.
 
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I agree with all the posts here. AJ is not good vs 2 tight players in an all in preflop battle. Even if you are a against 1 tight player. You have to becareful in reading the tight players reaction vs a maniac. Some will play tighter and some will play looser and isolate the maniac. Most of the time it will be the 1st. If tight players are reacting loosely vs a maniac, your range should be tight enough to move in with them.
 
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I too am going to go along with the general consensus on this one. A-J might be a borderline call against a LAG type player. But when you start getting multiple calls it is almost always going to be facing a pocket pairs or be dominated, which means someone is likely to be holding some of your outs. Sometimes you just have to wait for a better spot.
 
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For $150 I would fold. But if you get really lucky, you get it all. So, I get why you called.
 
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I agree with all the posts here. AJ is not good vs 2 tight players in an all in preflop battle. Even if you are a against 1 tight player. You have to becareful in reading the tight players reaction vs a maniac. Some will play tighter and some will play looser and isolate the maniac. Most of the time it will be the 1st. If tight players are reacting loosely vs a maniac, your range should be tight enough to move in with them.

They weren't that tight. They were loosening range to play the spazz and his ATC. but Bea, it would have been a better head's up call, not 4 way.
 
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I thought V2 and V3 were calling b/c V1 was a spazz playing ATC.
I assumed they had marginal hands

They weren't that tight. They were loosening range to play the spazz and his ATC.

Even if V2 was calling wide because V1 was a spaz, V3 can't make a wide call as well --- especially if he's tight like you originally described.

I mean, think about your first statement above for a minute. You honestly think that V2 called for his whole stack with KJo or 77 because he knows that V1 is a spaz and then V3 looked down at A9o and thought "V2, the tight player, probably called V1 light because V1 is a spazz, so my A9o is good here --- and no one behind me will call if I shove, too"? Because that's the situation that was required for you to be ahead here.

Hopefully once you think about it in this context, it becomes clear that calling with AJo in this spot was a terrible decision.

-HooDooKoo
 
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Ok, so if it was just me vs spazz, the call was not as bad.

However,with 2 callers ahead of me, odds are one of them, namely V2, the 2nd caller probably has a very strong hand.
As the 3rd caller, I'd have to have a monster to call, or I'd 3-bet to scare V2 and V3 off the hand? Is that more accurate thinking?
 
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Something along those lines. Even if, after making the call, you find yourself holding the best hand, the chances of it holding up are greatly reduced when up against 3 other players. On numerous occasions I have folded a strong starting hand after a player has gone all in and been called in front of me. After the cards are turned over, I see that I folded the best starting hand. But then, as the cards are dealt, I see that I would have been out-flopped by one of the lesser hands, only to see that both of our hands would been beaten when the worst hand hit running cards. Of course, no hand is bulletproof. But I wouldn't be calling multiple pre-flop all-ins with less than a monster pair. Even holding A-K, you could find yourself facing a small pair, and have hope of hitting a larger pair, until you see the other players in the hand holding various combinations of A-x and K-x, taking away several of your outs.
 
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