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Mutombo33

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Hi, i want now what do you do with KK from utg in sit and goes blind 75/150?
by and thanks
 
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If you raize a lot - then your opponents will have a read on you having moster cards. A standard triple BB raise is enough for me. If you short stack (<10BB) - its two words - ALL IN!
 
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Personally i dont think you should limp UTG unless you have AA. KK is a standard raise depending on your table. i usually raise about 3BBs, and if you get an unlucky flop with an A. easy fold to play another day.
 
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It depends on the table. At a very aggressive table, I'd limp and hope for a raise which you can go over the top on. At a passive table, I'd raise it up, because you don't want to see a 4 way flop with kings.
 
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i would raise to about 400. I wouldnt raise to much more than that cause i do what a call or muiltply calls.
 
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Raise the same amount you normally do, say 3 big blinds. For example, if you had 10,J suited and you wanted to play the hand, or A.K, or J,J, raise the same amount.
 
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Raise the same amount you normally do, say 3-4 big blinds. Say you have 10,J suited and you want to play the hand, or A.K, raise the same amount.

yea true enough dd make it just like any other raise u would do with a good hand and get a call and hopfully no ace comes. But i love when the Ace comes but i get my tripss!
 
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It depends on the table. At a very aggressive table, I'd limp and hope for a raise which you can go over the top on. At a passive table, I'd raise it up, because you don't want to see a 4 way flop with kings.
I completely agree with this answer.

Remember, poker is a game of situations
 
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get a fair bit of money in the pot. if raised ,think of how the raiser has played till now ,what hands has he raised with/called big bets with etc,theres nothing wrong with mucking kings (but i find it very difficult and will do it usually on the flop when i know im beat,)but 90% of the time i have shoved when raised allin when i hold kk ,a lot of the times u end up looking at qq or ak ,aqs ,
 
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Depending on the amount of participants and your chip count i would usually raise 3x the BB because at least one person is likely to call you even if its just to stop you from stealing the blinds. After that if you maintain the top pair after the flop I would slow play, then after the turn bet it up to about 3xBB again and see how the opponent reacts. Depending on what cards you think they have post-river you can check or bet to add value to the hand you think may have won.
 
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Most of the time I would raise. About three to four times the big blind seems good. This is a good play for a tight table or a table with many different styles. However, if a lot of the players at the table are aggressive I would experiment with a limp because they are likely to raise. If at least one person calls that raise of even re-raises, I would shove all in when the action comes back down to me.
 
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UTG is a big raise in my book. I would raise prob 5-6 BBs and see what the table makes of it. This is mainly due to the countless times my Cowboys have become Ace magnets and anything less than 3 bbs gets called by anyone with Arags. They will hit, I will lose. My bug bet UTG is hopefully going to only have one caller, most likely looking for a set. I would then follow this up by a continuation bet on the flop to see if they hit their set/straight (unless an Ace droppped in that didn't give me a straight/flush draw, in which case I hope to try and check or call a min bet to the turn).

I understand why so many of you are raising 3-4bbs, but I'm a paranoid KK player so I would have to go with a much bigger raise.
 
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You should almost always raise but there are situations where limping can be good. If for example you have an aggressive player who you know will raise regardless then you could limp suck him in and then reraise him. If he calls you great but if he folds then you have at least picked up some stack.
 
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What I like do the most is (table permitting) limp in first, and when someone raises, make a big reraise or go all - in. This way people may take you as crazy tilting guy, or fold, but anyway you still could get called by a small number of opponents and dominate their hands.
 
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If your normal raise size is 3-4x bb, then its a 5-6x raise imo.
 
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If I have AA or KK or QQ - I raise 3 * POT size.
If have lower pair I call only and waiting for opponents.
It depends also in phase of Tournament , early phase I dont risk many.
 
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Well, under the gun is one of the not so favoral positions first of all since
you have no clue on what your opponent is going to do. Now, your there
and you get pocket kings and your forced to be the first one to make a
move. How would I play my kings? Well its simple. You should almost
always raise with big pocket pairs, especially in early positions. The reason
for this is the same what i said before, you have no clue what the others
are going to do, and if you just call, well theres a fair chance youll get
a lot of limpers. You definitly want a raise preflop, and since you dont
know whats going to happen, you definitly dont want to just call and
lose the hand to a 7 T that decided to call on the button. Thats how you
should play your big pocket pairs under the gun.
 
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I agree that it depends on the table and the 3BB raise sounds reasonable. Don't they say UTG is the new button? I would be curious as to what place you are in, how many are left, and your chip stack in comparison with the others before giving a non general answer.
 
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I disagree with phatmatt840... I dont believe that 3bb is a good bet. 3bb are too easy to call these days, you need to put in a bet such as 4 to 5 bb so that you dont get those limpers. If you only raise 3 bb then people with A T or A 7 or whatever will be calling you and you could easily lose the hand to an ace... or even worse... to someone catching those small cards limping. KK is a strong hand, but only when played strongly ! remember that and youll do very good next time on the tables when Pocket Kings, otherwise called cowboys, comes up under your fingertips.
 
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after the big blind goes to 100. i start to make my raises 2.5x the blind. so if the blinds now are 75/150 i make it 375 to go.
 
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Without knowing stack sizes etc. hard to answer, but in general 3 to 5 times raise, depending on yr stack rank, table image, and read on the villains. Not enuff info for an informed answer.
 
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I would raise 4-5 times the blind too. There are so many loose players and play with a big pair UTG against more then 2 players is very difficult. But if you're on an agressive table you could limp and reraise after a raise but its a bit tricky and it doesn't work often.
 
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KK is a very strong hand but you want to make guys with A rag fold for obvious reasons. So I would always raise to either 3 or 3.5 BB's. Your first aim is to win the blinds and if one other person stays in you have a pretty good chance to take them as well. The danger as always is an A on the flop. It is tough to take but you need to be prepared to fold if this happens.
 
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It depends on the table. At a very aggressive table, I'd limp and hope for a raise which you can go over the top on. At a passive table, I'd raise it up, because you don't want to see a 4 way flop with kings.

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although if no one raises and you get a 5 way pot with a crazy board then you will likely be kicking yourself because theres a decent chance that KK is no longer good. I guess what Im saying is winning a small pot with KK is better than losing a large one.

And if it is a weak table then you should be raising more often so that when you do finally get a hand like KK and you raise, at least someone calls. It sucks when you wait for so long to get a hand like KK or AA and when you raise -- say the pot -- everyone at the table folds.
 
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