BeachJustice on Overbet Bluffs

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DragTheBar has generously offered to make some exerpts of their instructional videos available to CardsChat members, and the coach responsible for the video will be available for questions and discussion in the corresponding thread. This is the first of these videos that we will post, and so without further ado: Please welcome Hunter "BeachJustice" Bick to CardsChat.

He will be taking questions in this thread, but for now, here's his bio:

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I started playing poker in 2004 during my last semester of college after a buddy showed me that you could play for real money on the internet. I had a slow start and lost multiple $50 and $100 deposits in Sit n’ Goes and small stakes cash games on PokerRoom. Then, the summer after I graduated and shortly before starting my new job in corporate banking, I decided to get serious and bought a few poker books. I was tired of being a fish so I began spending all of my spare time at night studying and playing poker. After a couple months of beating $.5/$1 Limit Hold’em, I moved up to $2/$4 and $3/$6 where I stayed for a while before starting to learn No-Limit.

Sixteen months in banking was enough for me. Between the boring work and long commutes, online poker was starting to look like a much better option in terms income and lifestyle. During this time I even re-arranged my office and turned my back on the 15th floor view of downtown Fort Lauderdale and the ocean, just so that no one could walk by my office and see the poker tables on my computer. I hit a breaking point with work at the end of October 2005, and with my fiancés encouragement I quit despite only having a $4,500 bankroll. I didn’t have much money because I was turning pro sooner than I’d expected, but I was also confident that I could definitely make more than money than at my job.

I worked like crazy to build my bankroll so that I could play higher limits and have some security, and within a couple months I had about $20k and started playing $2/$4 NL. I also taught my fiancé (now my wife) some basic strategies so she could clear the multitude of bonuses to pick up extra money for expenses. In my first 2 years of playing professionally, I played a solid mix of tournaments, limit, and no-limit cash games with successful results in all of them. By late 2006 I devoted myself to no-limit, both 6max and heads up and have been focused on those since. Poker is great job, there’s always a new challenge and it’s fun to be continually improving.

In late 2007 I started coaching, and discovered a passion for teaching the game through training videos and private lessons. My approach to coaching is based on helping my students build a winning thought process that relies on strong fundamentals, accurate assumptions, and creativity. This leads to flexible decision making and confidence in making unconventional plays, both of which of will help give you an edge every time you sit down.
Here is the video:YouTube- Poker Strategy - Tips on Bluffing

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I'll kick this off with two questions on my own:

1. In the first hand, you don't mention balancing. Do you feel that you need to balance this? What other hands besides bluffs would you overbet here? And how often?

2. In the second hand, you do mention balancing, and I'm getting the idea that your overbet range is polarized. Is that right? As in, you wouldn't overbet KQ on this river if he checks to you, but I presume you would bet it for value?
 
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Can't seem to view Video... am I being dumb?
 
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Snafu on my behalf. Is it working now?
 
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when you say you need 60% folds in the first hand, and you think you'll def get that or more, is that just an estimation you make or is there something more behind it ?
 
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Hey Hunter good to see you on CC!

Hand 1 - what are you trying to rep here? would you do this with QK yourself or would you do it with a 22/44? It looks like so much like a bluff since most draws miss and 2 bricks hit the turn + river? Or are you just attacking weak ranges here and not really bothered about what you are repping like you state about blasting him out of the pot, sorry just need clarification if the latter is what you are showing?
 
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Hey guys thanks for the warm welcome, CC looks like a great forum and I'll be happy to answer any questions on the video. If I miss anyone's just shoot me a pm.
 
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I'll kick this off with two questions on my own:

1. In the first hand, you don't mention balancing. Do you feel that you need to balance this? What other hands besides bluffs would you overbet here? And how often?

2. In the second hand, you do mention balancing, and I'm getting the idea that your overbet range is polarized. Is that right? As in, you wouldn't overbet KQ on this river if he checks to you, but I presume you would bet it for value?

1. Overbet bluffs are made more profitable when they are balanced, but I usually look at it the other way around, in that overbets for value are more profitable when overbet bluffs are in your range. Most people usually only think to overbet when they have it, so the bluffs work great because not only are they very profitable in their own right, but they also allow you to overbet for value more often. So as long as you can do this with the top of your range on occasion, the balancing will take care of itself.

There are a bunch of other hands I could overbet this river with for value, simply because we KNOW his is weak after that turn check-back. We don't have to worry about running into a big hand, so I could overbet QJ, J8, T9, AQ or a set.

2. My overbet range is fairly polarized against most opponents. Against guys who are paranoid about being bluffed and overly suspicious, then I'll de-polarize it and thats the type of guy I'd overbet AK/KQ on this board against. The other thing is the better you can read the opponent's hand range, the more you know your equity and his calling range, the more you can bullseye thin value overbets.
 
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when you say you need 60% folds in the first hand, and you think you'll def get that or more, is that just an estimation you make or is there something more behind it ?

Its an estimation of the math :) Basically, if you're on the river and you have zero equity, against his range (you'll always lose if he calls) and you bet pot, you need him to fold exactly 50% of the time for the bluff to breakeven.

So when you bet more than pot he has to fold more often, in this case I thought it was right around 60% percent for that bet size. If you do a little googling you can find some fold equity calculators where you just plug the numbers in, in this case the exact breakeven point was 59%.
 
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I haven't been playing a lot of NLHE recently, but I gotta say this is probably one of the best ways to promote your site I've ever seen. NH DTB.
 
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Hey Hunter good to see you on CC!

Thanks, its good to be here!

Hand 1 - what are you trying to rep here? would you do this with QK yourself or would you do it with a 22/44? It looks like so much like a bluff since most draws miss and 2 bricks hit the turn + river? Or are you just attacking weak ranges here and not really bothered about what you are repping like you state about blasting him out of the pot, sorry just need clarification if the latter is what you are showing?

Good question, its actually both. Although the better the opponent, the more concerned I am about making sure I can legitimately rep a huge hand, whereas against weaker players who can't hand read as well and/or will just get scared of the huge bet, it really doesn't matter what you're repping.

In this hand I'm repping T9, QJ or a set, and I'll definitely take this line with those hands on occasion. When the turn goes check/check and then I overbet the river, I can make it look like I went for a checkraise on the turn but missed. At the same time I know his range is weak and that he's not going to look me with 89 or something like that when I overbet.

I hope that clears it up for you.
 
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Welcome, thanks for the great video!

Your comment above about weaker players gave me a lot of food for thought - I tend to not make these bluffs against players who can't hand read cuz I feel like I get too many hero calls from these guys, but I think I'm wrong there.

Thanks again!
 
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Thanks, its good to be here!



Good question, its actually both. Although the better the opponent, the more concerned I am about making sure I can legitimately rep a huge hand, whereas against weaker players who can't hand read as well and/or will just get scared of the huge bet, it really doesn't matter what you're repping.

In this hand I'm repping T9, QJ or a set, and I'll definitely take this line with those hands on occasion. When the turn goes check/check and then I overbet the river, I can make it look like I went for a checkraise on the turn but missed. At the same time I know his range is weak and that he's not going to look me with 89 or something like that when I overbet.

I hope that clears it up for you.

yeah cleared up, cheers dude.
 
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Welcome, thanks for the great video!

Your comment above about weaker players gave me a lot of food for thought - I tend to not make these bluffs against players who can't hand read cuz I feel like I get too many hero calls from these guys, but I think I'm wrong there.

Thanks again!

Cool glad to hear it. One thing to be sure to think about when overbet bluffing against weak players is the board texture. These guys don't like folding a hand like top pair no kicker, so don't try it when they are likely to have a lot of top pair hands in their range. But when the board gets really drawy and connected, or overcards keep falling, thats usually a great time to overbet bluff a fish.
 
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for a full grasp of overbets i think you should talk about elasticity of calling ranges.
in the first hand, imo the reason your overbet bluff is successful because you let the villian come to the river with an elastic range due to your smallish cbet on the flop and check on the turn.
 
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