Basic Question on opening bet

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From the old FullTilt training I learned that you should never limp in to a pot, but should open with at least 1.5 times the BB, but is that only in to an unopened pot or even if the pot was opened by a limper earlier.

So I guess my question is: Should I generally get into a pot with 1.5 time the BB or only open the betting in an unopened at the 1.5 multiple?

My question is related only to opening the pre-flop betting and not particularly hole card related.
 
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Only open the betting in an unopened pot , dont open limp never,only fish make that move,offcourse AA/KK in utg (open limp/shove thats the move i like,lol)
 
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Only open the betting in an unopened pot , dont open limp never,only fish make that move,offcourse AA/KK in utg (open limp/shove thats the move i like,lol)

Thanks PCK! That's what I was hoping.
 
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Only open the betting in an unopened pot , dont open limp never,only fish make that move,offcourse AA/KK in utg (open limp/shove thats the move i like,lol)

Very true statment, but it's okay to limp early in the tournament. You should never have big pots at 20/40 blinds.
 
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Depending on the situation. If I have a high pair in the pocket and am in early position, betting too much will give you the blinds and nothing else. If I know a player likes to three bet big, I will put in a min raises hoping to reraise a substantial three bet so that the pot will show something if they won't call my big bet.
 
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In my opinion, an opening bet of 1.5BB is too conservative. It also encourages other players to limp behind if you are oop. I do prefer to open 3BB regardless of position when blinds are low. In middle stage I would reduce the bet sizing to 2 or 2.5BB. The most important thing is to keep the bet sizing consistent regardless of your holding so not to give out tells to your opponents.

Limping is a weak play, unless you have a premium holding and want to trap someone. However, limping from EP with QQ+, AKs can put you in trouble if you get too many callers behind. I'd prefer limping this hands from late position as opposed to stealing the blinds so to build a pot after the flop. Otherwise, never limp at all.
 
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I don't believe in limping, not early, not late. My standard raise is 2xBB, which means I'm going to make it at least 3x, + 1xBB for each player that has limped in front of me, up to 5x. Limping allows too many players to get involved in the hand, making post-flop play difficult. Consider how hard it is to put 3 or 4 opponents on hands. Anyone could be holding anything. Any one of them could have binged two pair on you. Players with drawing hands will be reluctant to fold as well, unless you are willing to risk a significant amount of your stack to try to get them to fold.

Just about every time I see someone cussing and fussing over having a big hand cracked by some "why would you even play that?" type of hand, it's because they allowed someone to limp in with an inferior hand. In fact, I am so against limping in and playing multi-way pots that if I see too many limpers in the pot in front of me I am likely to just fold a lot of hands that I would otherwise be willing to raise with. Once so many limpers enter the pot, it starts to give players later position the right price to call. At this point, raising to 3x or even 5x isn't going to be able to fold out bingo hands. Given the choice between limping in and playing bingo, or making a raise that's not likely to lessen the number of players in the pot, which is just playing expensive bingo, I choose option C, to just fold and take notes as the rest of the limpers donk it out without me.

Simply put, I would rather fold a quality hand than to limp with one.
 
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Actually, after seeing the replies, the Full Tilt training requirement was 2.5 the BB opening to an unopened pot, not 1.5. Sorry for the confusions.
 
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