acidburnfx
Senior apprentice
Loyaler
The fundamental is resist losing streaks and not completely deplete your funds, but the type of bankroll you need will depend on the reasons why you play poker in the first place. What's the purpose: You play for fun or competition? Recreational poker players, for example, who don't take the game seriously tend to keep a bankroll just for fun. In contrast, the professional poker player who have a dedicated bankroll has to take money out of his bankroll for pay taxes and all their living expenses. Think about it!
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pachopaez
Rock Star
Silver Level
you have to keep in mind that when you enter a game table or tournament, you can not enter a buy in excess of the 5% of your bankrrol, that help in a table're not stressed and can play good poker, and bankrrol that you will keep well
detroitjunkie
Visionary
Silver Level
OK here is your answer.
Only play 5% of your bankroll at any given time. If you have $100 then your maximum buy in for any game is $5. This is 1/20th of your bankroll.
Never..and I mean never go outside this number if you want to take poker seriously. If you fall to 0 then you reload back to original bankroll. Obviously at one point you may have a bankroll that falls below the minimum needed for the poker rooms minimum stakes, at this point play minimum stakes only until you hit 0 and then reload.
Bankroll can decide your stakes or stakes can decide your bankroll. If you only have $500 then you must play the corresponding stakes. If you want to play a certain level then bank yourself accordingly.
As your bankroll changes then so can the stakes you play. Beware as you go up in levels as you win the poker will get harder and play differently.
Only play 5% of your bankroll at any given time. If you have $100 then your maximum buy in for any game is $5. This is 1/20th of your bankroll.
Never..and I mean never go outside this number if you want to take poker seriously. If you fall to 0 then you reload back to original bankroll. Obviously at one point you may have a bankroll that falls below the minimum needed for the poker rooms minimum stakes, at this point play minimum stakes only until you hit 0 and then reload.
Bankroll can decide your stakes or stakes can decide your bankroll. If you only have $500 then you must play the corresponding stakes. If you want to play a certain level then bank yourself accordingly.
As your bankroll changes then so can the stakes you play. Beware as you go up in levels as you win the poker will get harder and play differently.
pauloprcds
Enthusiast
Silver Level
Well, thats relative, but in my opinion you should play with a 100 buy in rule, so if you have a 100 dollars bankroll, you should play at top 1 dollar games, tournaments, s&g etc .
Some people even play a more "nit" bankroll rule, but it really depends, at least a 100 would be ok, IMO ..
If you play more than one table, it's a even better rule.
Some people even play a more "nit" bankroll rule, but it really depends, at least a 100 would be ok, IMO ..
If you play more than one table, it's a even better rule.
PapaC
Legend
Silver Level
BRM takes a lot of will power, more so with new players who are having a lot of fun playing the game, and it's hard to put it aside or drop down a level for a little while if you are losing. But to hold on to your BR, you will have to find ways to do that. For example, if I sit at a cash table, and I lose half of my buy in, I leave the table because I feel like I'm not going to get it back and just lose the other half buy in if I continue. Also I have the rule, that if I lose my buyin on a MTT before the first hour, I don't rebuy. Then if it gets too bad, I just stop playing completely for a few days. And right now I'm working full time, so I have plenty of time away from the game and should play my best on the weekends. GL to you
detroitjunkie
Visionary
Silver Level
100 is already nitty enough. If u can't win once out of 50 tries that is bad enough and u are playing the wrong game. If it beginner and a nit 50 will suffice
tagece
Legend
Platinum Level
It depends what you are trying to do. If You are just playing for pleasure and can put more money if necessary, use a 25 by rule. If you need to preserve your br, the minimum is 50. Now, if you wanna make money and don't have more to deposit, stay at the 100 bbs, and play more tightly in the beginning till you have more experience.
detroitjunkie
Visionary
Silver Level
WOW - really really nitty.
If you need to play 100 sng's before you win - you are a terrible player and should quit!
If you are playing as a rec player and have no interest in becoming good, then go ahead and put all that money in your roll. BUT - a winning player only needs 20 buy ins
I can not repeat this enough times - if you are needing more than 20 buy ins to win anything you are in the wrong game - ONLY exception is if you only play mtts - with really big fields...and in this case if you do not cash one out of 50 times then you should not be playing - or you should not care that you are no good at the game.
How to get good you say without playing - STUDY FIRST. In my early days I would read for an hour before playing any session - even if its a book I read before - then after your session review what you did - then read some more - then maybe even watch people play (boring BUT effective - believe me).
If you want to put in more then whatever - BUT again - a winning player only needs 20 buy ins.
PershingSt
Visionary
Silver Level
Mtts or tournament poker has more variance so I would say you need at least 100 to 150 buyins for tournament poker depending on field sizes to withstand the variance.
Cash you can be a little more aggressive with your bankroll imo, as long as you are willing to move up and down in stakes and adjust to the positive or negative swings . 20 to 25 buyins in cash games is what I recommend and just being willing to adjust depending on your bankroll .
Cash you can be a little more aggressive with your bankroll imo, as long as you are willing to move up and down in stakes and adjust to the positive or negative swings . 20 to 25 buyins in cash games is what I recommend and just being willing to adjust depending on your bankroll .
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ph_il
...
Silver Level
The fact that you think you can't go broke with 20 buy-ins is laughable, but what do I know about you? Maybe you're an amazing player and this is what works for you.
It's not impossible for someone to go on a godlike run playing with risky BRM, but for the majority of players, it just doesn't work.
And if the top online players say good BRM is important, I'm pretty sure they know what they're talking about.
detroitjunkie
Visionary
Silver Level
Ok, yes the Black Swan can hit at any time and yes reloads are necessary from time to time. But, if you are budgeting for playing poker, and want to know what is the minimum you can start with, this is the answer. Sure if you want to play $10 sngs and actually have 1k sitting around, then sure go ahead and deposit it. BUT that is not what SHOULD be necessary. We are talking minimums here.
I did say really deep MTTS are different if that is ONLY what you play. And yes min cashes count because you can use them for future buy ins. I am sure Mr Deeb's 50 game losing streak wasnt the only poker he played during that stretch, and he probably made money in other games.
No one ever said anything about moving up levels and what kind of roll management you need to plan for that.
YES, everybody goes broke now and then, but we cant put everything we own into our account - which still may not stop you from busting. But thats a different story altogether - there will be a time you go bust - 20 buy ins or 100, it can happen, so why over-inflate your account for no reason - especially with all the scammers out there and sites not making payments to people (or making you wait like 3 months), or god help us another Full Tilt type situation. Its just not worth it, and TYPICALLY not necessary for someone who wants to be a winner.
And for sngs - 100 buy ins is crazy if just for these, if you win,place, or show less than 1 of 10 you will be broke forever - first place only pays 5x the buy in - pretty simple math (rake not included - so even less)
I did say really deep MTTS are different if that is ONLY what you play. And yes min cashes count because you can use them for future buy ins. I am sure Mr Deeb's 50 game losing streak wasnt the only poker he played during that stretch, and he probably made money in other games.
No one ever said anything about moving up levels and what kind of roll management you need to plan for that.
YES, everybody goes broke now and then, but we cant put everything we own into our account - which still may not stop you from busting. But thats a different story altogether - there will be a time you go bust - 20 buy ins or 100, it can happen, so why over-inflate your account for no reason - especially with all the scammers out there and sites not making payments to people (or making you wait like 3 months), or god help us another Full Tilt type situation. Its just not worth it, and TYPICALLY not necessary for someone who wants to be a winner.
And for sngs - 100 buy ins is crazy if just for these, if you win,place, or show less than 1 of 10 you will be broke forever - first place only pays 5x the buy in - pretty simple math (rake not included - so even less)
detroitjunkie
Visionary
Silver Level
BCP 50k guaranteed - $50 buy in mtt - if you only played this tourney and only cashed once in 150 tries - if you do not get 1st place you are down money, (and you may never get first place before your roll runs out) - by todays tourney even if you got 2nd you would be down $1500 bux. Not a good win rate. You NEED to place way more than 1 in 150 times to be a winning player overall, and those smaller places rebuild your roll - they MUST exist
sergik1992
Legend
Silver Level
Personaly I use such rule. If I play cash games, my bankroll must consist of 150 or more buy-ins. The same is with MTT tournamets. When a question of is SnG, I can use 30th part of my bankroll. Good luck to you and choose the right limits!