Badbeat Or Cooler

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Just wondered what are the main differences between a bad beat and a cooler. Is a cooler when you were drawing dead from the flop ?.
 
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bad beat is where someone wins the pot when having very little equity when the money went in. a cooler is when someone is at the top of their range and you have a hand that crushes their range.
ie 77<88 on a 782 flop is a cooler
 
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bad beat is where someone wins the pot when having very little equity when the money went in. a cooler is when someone is at the top of their range and you have a hand that crushes their range.
ie 77<88 on a 782 flop is a cooler
I'd say a bad beat is losing after you're well ahead, and that when the chips or money went in can often be but isn't always a necessary factor.

For example, let's extend your set over set flop situation and say the case 7 comes on the turn or the river. IMO, it's a bad beat for the 88 even if most of the chips went in after the opponent hit the 1-outer. This would also be a cooler since a very strong hand got beat by an even better one.
 
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What if you raise UTG with KK and you are called by A2 A7 and A8 then an ace hits on the flop?
 
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What if you raise UTG with KK and you are called by A2 A7 and A8 then an ace hits on the flop?

Standard. You're only ~2:1 favorite there preflop. So 1 of 3 times you lose. That's neither a cooler nor a beat.
 
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A bad beat is when you lose despite being favourite either pre flop or on the flop.
Examples:
You have AA pre and an opponent has 7,2 off. Opponent hits 2 pair, trips or a boat.
On the flop you have top two with A,J and the opponent has 7,2 sooted. Opponent hits flush on the river.

Both are bad beats.

Cooler is when you are beaten by a better hand when you have a good hand.
Example:
You have KK and an opponent has AA. You are always behind but you wouldn't always know or suspect until showdown.

That is a cooler.
 
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An example of a bad beat is when you are way ahead in a hand going into the river, and the odds of getting beat are less than %5 - Lets say QQ vs JJ, and there's a jack on the river.
A Cooler is when you get beat while you are trips or better.:) Say you are in the big blinds, and you want to fold because only have 5-8o, yet everybody limps in and the only thing you can do is call.
the flop is 6-7-9 and you want to go all in, but you are out of position and the cut-off person beats you to it.
You helplessly sit and watch as the board pairs up on the river. giving the cut-off person a full boat 'cuz they went all-in with 3-of a-kind after the flop.
 
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Thanks for all the reply's guys.
 
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Cool thread! Guys did a good job explaining. No need to add.
 
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personally i have a huge problem with this, especially with online poker. I play micro stake poker because my bankroll isnt big at all, but when you play micro stakes people call so loosely that you are going to get bad beat much more times than usual.
example: you play $2/$4 nl and you bet $10 preflop with a good hand someone with Q7 would be likely to fold.
but if your playing $0.02/$0.04 and you bet $0.12 preflop someone with the same hand Q7 off is much more likely to call you and catch some crazy crap..

and yeah other people already said it but simply put

a bad beat is when the player that is well behind wins the hand at the end only after catching a card or cards that had a low percantage of winning. and also it does matter when the money goes in because if you bet after you been bad beat you cant be mad, and only if the person thats behind doesnt have a good draw or reasonable odds vs the money. Also if you bet $2 into a pot of $30 and the person calls you with a gut shot and catches it you cant really say that is a bad beat (depending on what happend before of course) because u bet too little. now if the person with the gutshot calls a $10 bet into a pot of $30 then it would be a bad beat.

okay.. sorry about posting three posts but poker is all about math, including bad beats.

for example lets say your at a 8 player table $1/$2 nl ring game. you bet $8 and one player calls $8 (total pot is $21 (heads up)) you have pocket jacks the other player called you with Ten Five
FLOP - 9 7 3
you bet $2 player calls *Pot is now $25
TURN - 8 (9 8 7 3)
you bet $4 player calls *Pot is now total of $33
RIVER 6 ( 9 8 7 6 3 )

yes this runner runner is a badbeat and honestly i would agree with you. BUT if you bet a dumb amount like that, you cant be too mad. now if you bet even $7 (instead of $2) on the flop you would have been betting $7 into a pot of $21 (the other player would be calling $7 to win a total of $28 or 1/4 meaning unless he had a %25 percent to win the hand he is making a bad call - badbeat)

even calling 2 dollars to win $23 still doesnt make sense on a runner runner mathematically but its such a low ammount people will still call.

just saying - it doesnt matter if its the river or the turn and also "Lower than 5%"? its all about the ratio - (odds of winning hand) vs (pot vs ammount to call)
 
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I have more bad beats than coolers :D But that is just normal, the worst cooler I had was when I had pair 8 flop was Q82 and my foe just had the Q's at his hand, he slow played it and I go to bet earlier than I expected! :)
 
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Standard. You're only ~2:1 favorite there preflop. So 1 of 3 times you lose. That's neither a cooler nor a beat.

The odds will, of course, change dramatically if there is no A on the flop. Almost 9:1 in your favor on the turn and around 18:1 on the river. So, in my opinion it's good to bet standard 4xBB preflop and if villain misses their A on the flop you're smiling and betting for value.
 
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