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Poker have to do with decision. I make a bad one and I`m very dissapoint with it:

I had some winnings from freerolls and decide to cash out, and than make my 1st deposit, I had a lot of choises and I pick one Room that have the best bonus and MTT, cause my intention was to leave the Freerolls and go on to Micro MTT.

I learn to play position, and value out of position, to wait for the moment, and lear to read the Out`s, but there`s a lot to learn.

Anyway since I start to play the MTT, is happening something, I don` t hit a flop and when I hit i take a bad beat.

As a Deep Stack on the table if I call a All In I loose even ahead, I can`t win if I`m the short stack even if I shove and I`m ahead..

A few days I receive AA as the short stck, my first word "Yes I speak it loud sometimes" was, my Loosing hand.. And it was like I said.

So I start a tournament with loosing mind already, is not good, but i can`t take it out my money cause the minimun cash out, but I`m loosing all and I will or not if I don`t play.

My first decision was a bad one. Without solution..
 
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the solution is to work on your game, study your hands, watch videos, read forums, etc.
 
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There are days when I take too many bad decisions.
the best decision is to stop playing
but there are days when I am focused and good decisions appear :)
then a good decision can be also when playing
 
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Do not take the horse by the bridle immediately. Do not jump to conclusions. Relax and think about where you made a mistake. If you do not admit mistakes, then it's just been a bad day for poker. All they are. And it is better to read the article on poker. Yet all is not lost.I always play where I get better. For example the cache me nervous and I was not playing.
 
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I know exactly what you mean. and i struggle with it too!

Thats the reason i dont want to play any micro mtt's anymore. 80% of my all in's, raises, re-raises, check-raise get callen and i will lose it on the turn, or they just get runner runner and the go's my AA,AK,AQ vs J9,J10, 78 etc

Once ahead and got called, i know they will get something to loose anyway.. just dont like it anymore
 
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Today story just after open this topic:

First hand of the Tournament I`m at the BB and a guy at Midle positon Limps, the SB limps too, This room don`t have the option to fold so I have to check it:

I Had 84o and the board brings

853 raibow, I hit the top pair, I bet the pot, and the limper call, the SB folds

Turn 5 and I check and the Limper checks

River a 2 and I check the limper makes a small bet, I call

He show 87 (My think was pretty like already... And some of the same..

Second Hand as SB I fold:

3rd Hand on the BTN i get KK

One shoves, I call even knowing that I`m ahead but also knowing that I gonna loose he shows 95s
Hits the flush: And I make my day:..

I just feel to open the support window and cash out the remain $ that i have it and back to the Freerolls..

I had another Room that I feel more confidence to put my money In, I really made a bad choise..

The other had less volume, less Mtt but I feel positive energy that I never felt on this Room that I choose..

I had make my 1st All In without odds putting my money on a wrong Room:

And get a serious think to leave Poker for Good. In portugal we have a saying:

"When start wrong, never or late back on track.. " I think over one week I saw the Bonuses and take everything in consideration except my extinct..
 
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Today story just after open this topic:

First hand of the Tournament I`m at the BB and a guy at Midle positon Limps, the SB limps too, This room don`t have the option to fold so I have to check it:

Why would you EVER want to consider folding pre in the BB when there are only limper(s) in the pot?
 
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If you feel like your playing badly and you keep losing take a break from poker for the day. Then start fresh from tomorrow. Also watch other poker players and see where your mistakes are so you can fix them. Hope for the best.
 
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So, where are the bad decisions?

It sounds like you decided to make a deposit into a poker site because of the bonus offered and for the MTTs. It also sounds like you're doing things like playing in position and only playing strong hands out of position, getting you money in with strong hands when you're short stacked and as you put it "I can't win if I'm short stacked", etc. So, it sounds like you have a pretty solid, basic TAG approach to MTTs and you also know that you have some things you need to learn and work on.

Unfortunately, it also sounds like you're on the bad end of variance and that's going to happen sometimes in poker. And MTT's are the highest variance games out there. However, bad variance =/= bad decisions.

With that said, focus more on your decisions and not the results. Your results shouldn't matter at all because they don't influence whether you make/lose money in the long run, it's your decisions that you make that influence things. As long as you're making more +EV decisions than you are -EV ones, your positive results will come naturally. And that's what it sounds like you're trying to do. So, don't be afraid to play your big hands for max value, regardless of your previous negative results, because even the strongest of hands are prone to losing a fair amount of the time, but they win much more often than they lose and that's what you should focus on. As long as you get your money in good and force your opponents to get your money in bad most of the time (because it's impossible to do this 100%), you'll be good.
 
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Before every step you have to make decisions and this decisions are building up your short term or mid term strategies. I think nobody is able to make the right decision every time, but the result will be known only after a while. That's why I love this game. I think I'll be able to decrease the number of bad decisions in the future with more and more practice.
 
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Thanks for all good and nice words:

Today I didn`t play at that Room I went to another Poker Rooms where I don`t have bankroll, and I get good results even a Final Table, and persuing the straigh I loose wining the 5th place and $2 on the run..

Yes I have a lot to learn I am a Freeroller making the transition to Micros, I didn`t before cause I didn`t feel ready.

Now that i feel I`m a better player, more patiente, understand the power of position. Take a while to understand it..

The other Room that was on the balance to Put my few $ gives some good Bonus, even tickets to some ETP (European Poker Tour), but the field is shorter and the Buy-In`s more expensive to the Micros with the same $GTD..

So I decided for other and that one the late register is so long that is dificult to Hold with so many Shoves after the enter of later register players..

Who knows if this FT came and bring O2 to the next attempts on the Micros..
 
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You must be more patient, take care of your psycology and play lower buy-ins MTT.
 
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Hello again, All my friends none plays poker online, sometimes we playmoney at one another Home.. So I don`t have anyone except CardChat to release my frustation:

Thanks for all guys, but after your positive energy even a FT yesterday at Tiger Gaming i back to my micros and have a bad session, I star to play with no frustation, positive I get yhis today: But hear it cames the JJ in the BNT and I raise someone shoves and I decide by the ODDs to call:

He holds a 77 and came a 7 on the Flop and i end loose with my JJ, no problem I think, this use to be one of the hands that kick off the MTT`s and I decide to rebuy to win the frustation: Positive is the way.

I`m at the SB holding :ks4::10s4: Ussually if someone raises I fold this hand but in this circunstances, every folds till me I decide to steal the Blinds and make a raise and the BB makes a small 3bet, i call:

The Board Brings: :qs4::10h4::5s4:

I bet 1/3 of the pot and the BB shoves.. I take my time, Midlle pair, a Draw: I have the Odds and call:


He Shows :jd4::js4:


Off course I didn`t improve and be kicked by JJ: how Ironic loose to JJ could be in such circunstances? Every details matter, and my positive went out, like a could poker Ice over the head, even yesterday I ask permission to ask around for Coaching and now I`m considering to leave Poker for Good..

In Portugal Poker is forbiden, The Room that I make my 1st attempt to go From Freerolls to Micros as Close and I was with excellent results on that transition, some few Rooms still open to Portuguese and I take a long time to make the upgrade again from Freerolls to Micros, but this time I start bad and wrong, I decide to deposit my Bank on my 2nd choise Room, the ambition and Greed take over cause the Buy-ins are cheaper to big price pool than my 1st choise..

In Portugal we have a saiyng: "Who wants everything everything loose" is so adjust to my situation: In a desesperate I try to cash out the remain $ the support don`t even answer me..

Right now and on the balance is Leave Poker for Good or find a coach that can help me bring back the good results:

I can say that in my 1st attempt to jump from FR to Micros in 2 months I had winnings of €250 and rising up but the Room decide to shut down because of the new law..

In this attempt I have $6 remaining from the $25 inicitial deposit and some tickets.

What I should do? Coach or leave?

Thanks
 
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Please post HHs or include stack sizes and blinds in your examples.
 
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Please post HHs or include stack sizes and blinds in your examples.

What is HHs? This are happening early stages begining the stacks are pretty the same the we use to have 50 / 60 BB. But I wil try to remember next time. Thanks
 
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In the long run making the correct decisions will pay off. And it's ok to lose, you will lose. It's a bitter reality of a game like poker.

The worst thing you can do is get into a mentality where you expect to lose and change your play on that. For example, getting your KK all in and crushed over and over you start to think "here we go again" and you don't raise it pre or you hit a low board and get scared to bet because 27o beat your KK the last 5 times and theres a 2 and 7 on board.

There's subtle skills and decision making processes you learn over time, esp in MTTs. There's spots where you know a jam could be huge but could also knock you out. There's correct times where you have to make that move. And times where by simply folding you're plus EV.

Just accept that AA and KK will lose to horrible suckouts. But after that beat look at the hand, see what if anything you could have done. Things to look for include: did you raise pre, and if raised to you did you go re-re raise?, Were you ahead on the flop but it was scary so you checked and the turn connected the villain's hand? Did you fold a low PP in late position when you could have limped in to set mine? Or did the river create a scary board and villain checks to you, do you steal or do you check it down to conserve chips if you think you're behind? Did you count your outs when you called the half pot bet on the turn and make the decision that pot odds roughly say yes.

I could go on and on but in MTTs so many variables come into play. Different hands play differently based on position, stack sizes, blinds, close to the money, bet sizing differing from early to late stages, push/fold calculations, etc. Study, learn, and practice. And accept that sometimes you'll do is all right and play beautifully and still lose to someone's 1 outer.

The thing I find myself asking myself the most after a villain gets to their hand on the turn or river and I lose is what could I have done if anything? Like: Did I give them a free or cheap draw to that hand? Did I let them into the hand in the first place by flat calling? Could I have simply checked it down and conserved chips if I was behind? Would a flat call to their river value bet been better than a re-shove? Or did I give them terrible odds to keep calling and drawing on every street and they gleefully called me along to their 1 outer? Then that's ok. I did what I could and long term that will win.
 
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Hello: Anyway I still Not enjoy the investment on the Room but today I finally get a FT in the Room:

So the things are getting better i hope so:

Was so annoying the semi final table and on the FT one guy and always the same, a pure Call Station overcard me, and always on the River so I couldn`t get far than the 6th and last place of FT was a 6 players bounty.

I had a TT as short stack and shove after his limp at the UTG and he presents a J6o after calling and even get a J on the board.. Anyway.

Thanks to all the support guys and understanding..
 
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Today I made a lot of bad decisions, but thanks limit is between bad and good decisions? When the call bluff is a good decision, but if it was not a bluff, it would be a good decision?
 
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And more good news: I start to get ITM and recovering from the Bad Begin..

So from the Iniciatial 25 down to $6 I`m back to $11 not bad for a single day.. I think
 
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Watch back played hands to see what went wrong,
I try to do THE best thinking , i try to adjust my hands and play with history played hands.
 
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It happens with everyone, even with pros, no worries ..
The Advice I can give you is, study more, and then more, and then a little more ..
Play smaller, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT..
It's all good man, keep doing good decisions, in the long time you're going to win if you do so.
 
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