Bad Beat or Bad play

I have been crushed many times when holding a decent pair to the point that I started to think that made hands are the hands with which I lost 80% of the times so I thought that may be I need to reshape my strategy and to stop playing these kind of hands as I win easyly suited connectors more than the made hands or pairs.


I tried All in with AA/KK/QQ/JJ/10-10... lost most of the time 80%


I tried standard raises sames hands lost 60%


I tried limping still loosing around 60% of the times


This kind of hands made me think and re-think each time I lost a Tourney or a sit'n'go because of a made hand that I have either overestimated the strength of my own hand or underestimating the strength of my opponents.


One of my friends told me You ca not lose with AA if you fold it preflop so should I dismiss playing what is supposed to be the best starting hands because of some Bead beats or should I look for an other strategy playing these hands my be limping and waiting for action to come from my opponents?




I'm a great believer in luck and I find the harder I work, the more I have of it. Thomas Jefferson

ZARGA123 said:

I have been crushed many times when holding a decent pair to the point that I started to think that made hands are the hands with which I lost 80% of the times so I thought that may be I need to reshape my strategy and to stop playing these kind of hands as I win easyly suited connectors more than the made hands or pairs.


I tried All in with AA/KK/QQ/JJ/10-10... lost most of the time 80%


I tried standard raises sames hands lost 60%


I tried limping still loosing around 60% of the times


This kind of hands made me think and re-think each time I lost a Tourney or a sit'n'go because of a made hand that I have either overestimated the strength of my own hand or underestimating the strength of my opponents.


One of my friends told me You ca not lose with AA if you fold it preflop so should I dismiss playing what is supposed to be the best starting hands because of some Bead beats or should I look for an other strategy playing these hands my be limping and waiting for action to come from my opponents?





I'm a great believer in luck and I find the harder I work, the more I have of it. Thomas Jefferson

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I think you're partly right.
AA as start hand will win 70 to 80 % of the time. when there are a multi pot people. it is only 50 percent. so a flip coin. so it is only chance so I play them but I don't play them as made hands because they arent. mostly they are good pre flop so you have to play aggressivepreflop than you have to look.
two days ago I had AA and there where 3 all in before me. I thought to fold but i knew I will win 50 percent of the time and get 4 times my stack so i called and lost. But the decision was right and when I keep make right decisions I will win in the end.

but this is my opionion.

best regards

It also depends on the number of villains you go with those cards against

stack sizes also plays a large part on how to play your hand

ZARGA123 said:

I tried All in with AA/KK/QQ/JJ/10-10... lost most of the time 80%I tried standard raises sames hands lost 60%
I tried limping still loosing around 60% of the times

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Where did you get these precentages and what is your sample size? I highly doubt that you lose 80% of the time. It's true that you won't win every time with them but those numbers just sound way too high. Or then you are playing them wrong and giving too much action with them. After all they are just one pair and if you are holding something like QQ when there is A and/or K on the board, chances are your opponent might be ahead of you.

ZARGA123 said:

This kind of hands made me think and re-think each time I lost a Tourney or a sit'n'go because of a made hand that I have either overestimated the strength of my own hand or underestimating the strength of my opponents.

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This sounds about right. You are not invincible unless you have the nuts so you just need to learn to read the board and your opponents, and play according to that. Keep the pot small or fold when things get too heated for your hand strength and raise your way to victory when it's all good. Remember that one pair, even a big one, is not a hand you want to play big pots with. The average winning hand in poker is at least two pairs.

ZARGA123 said:

One of my friends told me You ca not lose with AA if you fold it preflop so should I dismiss playing what is supposed to be the best starting hands because of some Bead beats or should I look for an other strategy playing these hands my be limping and waiting for action to come from my opponents?

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This has got the be one of the worst advices I have ever heard. Either your friend knows nothing about poker or he just doesn't want you to win. You just can't fold THE BEST starting hand preflop just because you might experience a bad beat. Again, learning to read the board and opponents would help you figure out where you stand post-flop. It's time to take it slow if you are getting a lot of action and you are still holding only one pair yourself, even if it would an overpair like AA. Never ever limp either, that way you are just giving your opponents better chances to actually get that feared bad beat against you with rubbish hands they wouldn't be even playing in the first place. Always raise and 3bet with AA and KK at least. Smaller pairs are a different story and the play you make should depend on how many opponents are against you, what is your position, how your opponents have been playing so far etc.

Big pairs are strong hands and you shouldn't be afraid of them. Just learn to play with them. I would suggest you make some research on how to play big pairs especially post-flop. Start from there

With these hands you have to bet everything pre-flop hence you will win more than you will lose, good luck! of the next few times.

The main problem is you think there a winning hand when they're not. it's just a good starting hand expect calls from big stacks unless you play super tight and win with strong hands and gain respect but it's hard v 5000 people. if you play regular tables hopefully people note good strong hands and fold. but then your not getting paid for a good starting hand.

roll the dice do you want chips or not? hope they call and miss

Bad play

Lot of factors that come into playing a hand. Just because you are dealt the best hand doesn't mean that you are going to win at the end. Every action, every street from every player needs to be evaluated. That is why you can win with a 9 high, and lose with a full house. Work more on your evaluation of what is going on in the hand and it will carry over more on how to play a specific one.

As a wise man once said, bad beats brings bad plays in a vicious circle.

I said this, just know, and that makes me wise.

best play in my opinion you either shove or limp, and be ready to throw your hand if they push all in depending on the all in stack.

My brother used to shove all-in preflop with AA every time. He tracked 25 hands and won only 3 of them. he got to the point he would fold AA preflop. I think the "all-or-nothing" approach is what's wrong. And being conservative pre-flop does no good if you are aggressive post-flop even when the Ace doesn't come. You can't trat a pair of aces as a strong hand after the flop. Even 2 pair beats you. Raise or re-raise pre-flop but only go all-in against 1 or 2 opponants.

Unfortunately, I'd have to vote bad play.

That's funny. Folding AA preflop lol. If he's shoving all the time with AA and getting called, that's great. I mean maybe multiple villains are calling him, in which case AA is a worse and worse hand the more ppl in the hand. But heads up I would love it if villain called me all in preflop.

Thanks to all for your replies and approaches I really appreciate,actually if I am talking about loosing many times with the Monsters it's because of a certain poker room where thing tend to get harder and seemingly rigged every time I am dealt a Monster Hand it'is made to make me loose either All my stack or to put me down to few blinds I know very well that these hands should not be folded and should be raised or reraised with from preflop but I will recommand strongly folding them in certain situations on pokerstars because they are losing most of the times.:beerglass:beerglass

Me, AA, Flop A-J-6... I rase, oponent Call. Turn: J , I'm ALL-In. oponent Call. RIVER : J; oponent JJ; 4four Jacks, versus Full-houseAAA JJ;

23 on flop of A45 beats your aces the majority of the time poker is a 7 card game holdem or 9 card game Omaha you seem to be talking about your hands in 2 cards try to think about 7 cards in hand good luck in future