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I have noticed playing online that many players will overbet or even play Ax off suit. What are your opinions on when it should be played and when it should be let go of? I'm curious as to how to take on the people who will bet 10-15 bb on such a marginal hand.
 
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Yeah, online, people plays Ax often. Ax is strong compared to any random hand. Other benefit of betting Ax is stealing the blinds.
 
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Strong hands: AA KK QQ
good hands: AK , AQ , KQ
hands with low kicker: AJ, A10 , QJ
 
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I will open with Ax every now and then-
10-15bb preflop? any more info?
 
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Yeah, online, people plays Ax often. Ax is strong compared to any random hand. Other benefit of betting Ax is stealing the blinds.

It's crazy cause they have something like A3 or A5 and they are popping reraises and playing overly aggressive because they have that A... Just seems a bit over the top.
 
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I will open with Ax every now and then-
10-15bb preflop? any more info?

At 300/600 in a tournament. They would pop 7800 in early to mid position pre-flop. I understand if maybe you can limp in at times with it being in late position or in one of the blinds but that just seems over the top to me. Maybe I'm wrong though.
 
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People play 'em too much and I get annoyed sometimes. I often shove with KK and some guy with A2o hits his A and wins the pot. I dont honestly see any good reason to do that, unless you are certain your opponent isnt holding an A. In late stages of the tournament I open with Ax suited only. I dont do it early, because its a bad hand imho. Yes, you can hit nut flush, but if you dont hit it you've got yourself a pretty bad hand.
 
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I think it is just the boredom of a lot of players. It seems that a lot of people get tired of folding when playing online. There's not really a lot going on and that Ace seems exciting when you see it. Stealing blinds also makes you feel good. lol
 
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Ax is strong compared to any random hand. Other benefit of betting Ax is stealing the blinds.
If you open Ax from a late seat where you have a reasonable chance to of be ahead of the players still to act, is it stealing or betting for value?
 
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It depends how big you open. Betting for value to me means an amount that will both build the pot and be affordable to the other people on the table. And stealing is making a bet that will less likely be called.
This is why I'm really careful when raising someone, because no matter how big I want to raise him, if I suspect he is not going to pay that amount I'm taking it slower and getting as much chips as possible from him. Rather than just his limp or my initial raise.
So, I would open maybe 2 or 3 bb's with Axs on the button if the game is tight and there arent many people in the hand, and those that are have limped. To me that shows weakness and a tight player will not play A2 ( example ), and he will not limp with AK,AQ and such.
 
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I played some small stakes online last night and someone shoved with KK preflop when I had AJ. Flop was something like A6J. I won with 2 pair. Guy went crazy complaining about brainless noobies.

Was calling his shove really a noobie move? He shoved after I 3bet.

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Was calling his shove really a noobie move? He shoved after I 3bet.
It depends. The first things to consider are what you thought his range was and what pot odds you were getting. If you're in a tournament, your situation relative to the field can also factor in.
 
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It depends. The first things to consider are what you thought his range was and what pot odds you were getting. If you're in a tournament, your situation relative to the field can also factor in.
At the micro stakes, range, pot odds and things like position and situation are lost on those who play Ax.
IMO, if you're playing Ax just because you think it looks good, your not playing it right.
 
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At the micro stakes, range, pot odds and things like position and situation are lost on those who play Ax.
IMO, if you're playing Ax just because you think it looks good, your not playing it right.

If you were shoved by someone of equal chips after you played a 3 bet, world you fold or call? How world you play a AJ?

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I played some small stakes online last night and someone shoved with KK preflop when I had AJ. Flop was something like A6J. I won with 2 pair. Guy went crazy complaining about brainless noobies.

Was calling his shove really a noobie move? He shoved after I 3bet.

So, he raised before you and then shoved your 3bet?
If that was the case then may I ask what you thought his range was?
If you didn't even consider his range when calling a shove over a 3bet then you did make a noobie mistake.
 
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He bet, I raised, he shoved, I called. He was not a tight player and was betting high on most hands pre and post flop. His all in made me think he had high cards but in honesty I was probably being aggressive due to his constant aggression.

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I am a new player, and keen to learn about playing the odds rather than chasing hands as some appear to do.

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I dont usually play Axo but if i can see cheap flop i play A2-A5 and At+ if i hit str8 cool,if not fold,i lost too many hands Ax vs Ax better kicker,so i stop playing those

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I played some small stakes online last night and someone shoved with KK preflop when I had AJ. Flop was something like A6J. I won with 2 pair. Guy went crazy complaining about brainless noobies.

Was calling his shove really a noobie move? He shoved after I 3bet.

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Ye i lost Ak vs At on A59 board,it was against fishy russkie,she did hit T on river,it happens,my mistake that i overplayed tptk,nothing else

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If no one has raised, and I am in position, and it's $2 to post the blind, I will play with Ax. That way, if I hit, I am in position. A2 fold if someone before me raises. But, something like A7+, I think I'll call. Does that seem reasonable?
 
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I really don't like Ax offsuit, A lot of people do play it online, which I think has a lot to do with the fact that a lot of people play lower hands in general, so that just could be the Golden ace. I personally only play Ax if there are 4-5 players at the table and 2-3 of them already folded. Still tho, it's rare that I bet it.
 
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I have a related question: if you realize you're at a table with a lot of people who are playing Ax, what hands should you be especially looking for to get in the pot with them? Or should you give it a shot with a wide range of hands and fold if an ace hits/bet hard if it doesn't?
 
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I have a related question: if you realize you're at a table with a lot of people who are playing Ax, what hands should you be especially looking for to get in the pot with them? Or should you give it a shot with a wide range of hands and fold if an ace hits/bet hard if it doesn't?

My advice would be to play only premium hands. High pocket pairs, AK, AQ, AJ. If they have an A then you are going to have to make sure you have a better kicker. Good luck!
 
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