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SeanBurchell

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Ok at a local freeroll tournament, its down to 20 people 4 tables (8 people max) Its a turbo style tournament blinds increasing rather fast.

The blinds had just increased to 500/1000 and im sitting on a little over 6bb on the button with A
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Q
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. The BB is short stacked with about 4 bb and SB is average on about 12bb. I had only played one hand at the table so far.

My logic here was min raise cause they didnt know my game and induce a re-steal.

instead they both called and we saw the flop.
A
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K
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J
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SB checks, BB takes his time fondling his chips i can tell he is thinking about pushing so i put him on a weak ace. He finally decides to push for 2200 and i instant call him. After i instant called him i immediately knew i should have reshoved him to knock the other player out and now i was pot committed with a chance of being called and seeing a card i dont want. SB considers what to do for a long time then finally reluctantly makes a call. so i put him on a king.

Turn comes K
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Im devastated as i can see SB thinking about how to get the rest of my chips into the middle while he fondles his chips. After a while i tell him to just push im pot committed and have outs even if he has the king. he obliges and reveals KQo.

River comes 8
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and im out.

Would you guys have played it differently?
was i right to have told him to put me all in or should i have waited to see if i could get a free card?
Should i have reshoved the flop?
Would you have folded the turn with only 2 bb remaining?
 
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we get some great players at APL. theres a leader board for every month. player of the month get 10k in hand and a ticket into a 250k tournament. SB was a regular who i know is a good player, and BB was a relatively big stack so why not try and show weakness in a raise.
 
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so why not try and show weakness in a raise.
Because it makes no sense. If they're a good player, they know that when you put 2 big blinds out there, you're pot-committed to calling a shove for the last 4 with any 2 cards. So they call, because they know they have no fold equity preflop.

Additionally, the BB will be calling with a super huge super wide range. Go ahead and get your chips in as a favorite, instead of letting him catch up.
 
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Because it makes no sense. If they're a good player, they know that when you put 2 big blinds out there, you're pot-committed to calling a shove for the last 4 with any 2 cards. So they call, because they know they have no fold equity preflop.

Additionally, the BB will be calling with a super huge super wide range. Go ahead and get your chips in as a favorite, instead of letting him catch up.

i have to agree u should have just pushed pre flop.. or atleast even after the flop..
 
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I know I don't usually shove preflop, but I would have thought I had the best hand and shoved postflop hoping SB would call. He may have folded and I would feel like I should've slow played postflop, but if he called(like he did with you) I wouldv'e known there was no way to get away from it anyway.
 
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Also, keep in mind that if we shove and everyone folds, that's actually a pretty good result.

Lets assume the big blind has Jc7d. If we shove, and get called, we have 68% equity in an 8.5bb pot, which comes out to be an expectation of 5.78 bb's. Since 4 of those original big blinds were ours, on average, we will gain 1.78 big blinds.

However, if we shove, and everyone folds, we will gain 1.5 big blinds. But what's so awesome about those 1.5bb's is that they come risk free. We do not risk getting called by J7o and losing more than half our stack.

So really, unless the big blind player has a REALLY terrible hand, we'd kinda prefer that everyone fold, unless we've got a long way to go to make the money.
 
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I would say with only 6 bb left and everyone else fold I would be quite happy to go all-in preflop. If get called, I have something to show, if not - ok. Maybe it is not the best game, but I'm just a beginner.
 
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With those stacks, I'm going to be shoving any playable hand as well. Maybe the min-raise to induce action would be good with AA or KK, but AQ isn't that dominant against the types of hands that would be calling a min-raise.

You want to maximize your fold equity, even though you have a pretty strong hand. In this situation, a blind steal is almost as good as a double-up, with much less risk involved.
 
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I think that you played it right pre-flop, or at least how I would have done it. protects your identity if all you've played was one hand... And I also agree with your hindsight, in that you should have shoved after the BB raised, hopefully pushed SB out...
 
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pushing after the raise would have made the SB fold i believe so that was sometime you could have done and you stated already :) the table talking might not have been the best idea at this point but since ur pot committed anyways didnt really matter to much if you ask me if the turn was a blank you would have had dead money so i dont really mind the call too much. thats poker for ya i cant tell you how many times i push with aces preflop and lose :p
 
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You only have 6BB's. There's no question about what to do here at all imo. It's a shove preflop. How is the BB going to resteal on his puney stack?,... he doesn't have enough chips to price any hand out,.. especially not one which has already invested chips into the pot.
You're pot committed as soon as you made that min rs from BTN.. it's a 1/3 of your stack. SHOVE SHOVE SHOVE.
I can't say what I'd do if I got into your position here.. cuz it wouldn't have happened. I'm shoving my chips in here and leaving the decisions (if any) to my opponent(s).
 
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Even if you'd reraised after the BB rs'd,.. the SB is still priced in to call there with KQ. You're not going to be able to make anyone go away. You don't have enough chips left to reraise isolate the BB shove.
Would someone who actually had a 'weak hand' here in your game actually try to just min-raise from the BTN here??? If so.. I'm coming there next game.. .SIGN ME UP!!!
If anything,... if I was on a table and saw a player with 6BB's only min-raise from the BTN,.. I'd be putting them on AA or KK.. cuz I can't even imagine what other 2cards they would possibly even consider doing this with,... and even with KK AA I'm still shoving it allin preflop here.
 
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Sorry.. but I read the hand incorrectly,.. I thought you said BB was short and had only 4bb's.
This advice below here is absolutely to the T. Wimpy to just say I concur... but I strongly concur!!! (and he said it far better than I'd be able to, lol).

Because it makes no sense. If they're a good player, they know that when you put 2 big blinds out there, you're pot-committed to calling a shove for the last 4 with any 2 cards. So they call, because they know they have no fold equity preflop.

Additionally, the BB will be calling with a super huge super wide range. Go ahead and get your chips in as a favorite, instead of letting him catch up.
 
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Umm.. nope... I did read it correctly. "BB only has 4BB's"

Shove, shove, shove!!!

C9's answer sums it up for ya here. The other answers are very weak/poor imo.
 
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i would of went all in preflop but you would of got called anyway and still lost
 
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