Any point of putting hours in when your running awful?

Been running like pure %100 crap if i get it all in with a9 the villian has a7,7 on flop.got riverd in the last 7 games down like $25 sucks was hot for a while but miserble.I been playing heads up shoot outs only and my first game of the day i played the first match for like 25 minutes. So i get one of those guys that gose all in every hand I ****ing HATE THAT! I got ak He shoves with K5 flop was somin with a 5 and he riverd a set.

So my point is any point of putting hours in when ur running absolute awful

I know the feeling.
if you are tilting take a break
and regroup.
remember it's a long term game
your profits come from these situations
but i know it can be extremely frustrating and annoying.
if you constantly 'getting it in good'
over time you will win
gl

jaystun00 said:

So my point is any point of putting hours in when ur running absolute awful

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Past events have no effect upon future events. Therefore even though you may have ran bad for the last 100K hands, there is no reason to assume that you will run best on the next hand.

So the fact you have ran bad should have no bearing on your decision to continue playing.

While mathematically it may be quite true that past performace does not dictate future results, I find that paying attention to when I am "running bad" helps me psychologically. I currently consider myself a student of the game, and I analyze every table session to determine what I did well and what I did poorly.

I noticed that when I was losing the hands I "should" win (AA v. 53o etc) my overall play tended to suffer as well. It might not be considered tilt by classic standards, but I find I start to get very timid and passive when playing in these situations. Getting up from the computer, doing something else for a bit (sometimes even not playing the next day), and then sitting back down with a clear head almost always puts me back to rights in overall play.

TL;DR In my humble opinion, there are psychological advantages to stepping away briefly when the cards are not being nice. There are not, however, mathematical ones.

Brave_n_Crazy said:

While mathematically it may be quite true that past performace does not dictate future results, I find that paying attention to when I am "running bad" helps me psychologically. I currently consider myself a student of the game, and I analyze every table session to determine what I did well and what I did poorly.

I noticed that when I was losing the hands I "should" win (AA v. 53o etc) my overall play tended to suffer as well. It might not be considered tilt by classic standards, but I find I start to get very timid and passive when playing in these situations. Getting up from the computer, doing something else for a bit (sometimes even not playing the next day), and then sitting back down with a clear head almost always puts me back to rights in overall play.

TL;DR In my humble opinion, there are psychological advantages to stepping away briefly when the cards are not being nice. There are not, however, mathematical ones.

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So if past events should have no bearing on your decision to play or not, psychological factors should.

I think playing with a "god, not AA again, how much will I lose this time" mentality can't be a good thing. Being overly tired, angry, stressed, distracted or any of a number of other factors will have an effect on how you play the cards you get (unless you are remarkably disciplined, which I am not) and so recognizing that you are starting to make decisions based on mood (in this case brought on by a series of bad beats) instead of fundamentals is important.

I'm sure this is horrible advice for a professional or someone who plays live, but for an average player sitting at their computer - where they can get up and take a walk - I think it has merit.

I also find that pulling up my PT3 and confirming that I have not, in fact and despite what it feels like, lost AA the last five times I played it helps and is a quicker way of getting back to center than doing the dishes. Still, when getting dealt good cards starts to feel like torture, I get up and take a break.

Stu_Ungar said:

So if past events should have no bearing on your decision to play or not, psychological factors should.

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Not that they should, but for some people I think they do.
When I am running really bad, I lose confidence and find myself limping when I should be raising, and just start playing poorly.
I know I shouldn't but cannot control it sometimes and need a break.
I also know that is a huge leak, but sometimes I cannot control it.

Every poker player knows what it's like to run bad and while it's not much fun at the time, I think it makes you appreciate all the more the times when things are going well. As long as you're observing good bankroll management then you can continue to put in the hours, maybe just at a lower level - if you don't do anything daft like playing limits above your bankroll then you can always carry on playing. Better to be playing at a low level than not playing at all because you've tilted and gone broke.

are you a cash or tourney player? If youre a cash player, what were you doing stacking off with A9 on that board for? Also, it's pretty sad that you hate one of the best kind of ATMs that fish have to offer

Well if you want to lose more of your bankroll do continue playing. I'm saying what I would do if i continued playing obviously because for all my understanding i still can't handle tilt after about 3 bad beats. I start thinking very wrong and trying to get back at the guy etc...well i start to play emotionally in a very objective game and if you're like that i suggest you stop and kick ass the next day

The short answer is "No". If you honestly believe you are running awful, then you are already on tilt. Step away for a few hours or however long it takes you to wind down, and then hit the tables again. If you feel like you are running bad it means you're psychologically beaten (as stated above). You'll just keep losing.

To Stu's point...technically it will not affect anything. If you are running bad, but your mindset hasn't been affected at all, then you can keep playing. Very few players are capable of this, so if you're "running bad" then just go take a break.

you can't hide from variance if you stop and wait it will just wait for you
sometimes you can play a few super micros just to let it run it's course cheaper but there is no stopping it .

Just stop paying attention to how you're running IMO.

Yup, as others above me have said. Step away from the game if you feel your current 'bad running' is affecting how you are playing.

Mathmatically of course it makes no difference, but if it tilts you, then you will play worse and lose more money.

Stu_Ungar said:

Past events have no effect upon future events. Therefore even though you may have ran bad for the last 100K hands, there is no reason to assume that you will run best on the next hand.

So the fact you have ran bad should have no bearing on your decision to continue playing.

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This is very true.

However, you will find you have stages that you feel your hands are getting turned over in every pot you enter where you are favorite.

Maybe it's all psychological and when you hit a bad beat, it plays on your mind and then any other beat maybe 100 hands later you feel like it's every hand.

If however it's emotionally crushing you then there is no harm in stopping in for a while, probably best if you are prone like many other people to tilt and play a different game to how you usually play and this will make you feel like you're suggering bad beat after another when in fact it's probably you are widing your range without knowing so getting involved in pots you shouldn't be, thus losing more pots than normal so people think of it as running bad.