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YWhat's the non primitive way to think? Ever consider that all those years of experience playing live winning poker might have reinforced traits and nuances that are backed by the more mathematical thought processes we now rely on?
Well lets break it down. They're playing 6-handed, and the pot has been straddled (Initial pot is 2000).
Lets look down on what a good opening range would be here: {22+, AXs, A9o+, K9s+, KTo+, QTs+, QJo, J9s+, T8s+, 97s+, 87s, 76s, 65s}
But knowing that these are professionals, I cannot make that assumption that they're playing that standard an opening range.
They might for the shake of MIXING-IT-UP or whatever, that too in a straddled pot, make the range look horrible. I'm not ruling out most hand in our ranges, barring a few rags {J6o-, T5o-, 94o-, 73o-, 62o-, 52o-}, they're perfectly capable of playing all these hands, and not because its right. But because they like to outplay the opponent it saying they're mixing it up.
Note: You shouldn't play to outplay the opponent, yes that's what ultimately end up happening, but your goal in poker should be to maximize your EV.
Now Doyle calls behind with KJo in Position, which is not bad. Everyone else folds around.
Flop: K66 (Dry board as hell, no draws in there)
Post Flop:
Now Benefield decides to c-bet, yes most player should c-bet whether they have a piece of the action or not. And Doyle decides to call.
Now to range Benefield, I'm not going to take out most hands, since he could be "
bluffing with his Muffins" as they like to call it. So, it would be a mix of value hands {22+, AXs+, A9o+, K9s+, KTo+, QTs+, QJo, J9s+, T9s, T7o, all 6-X hands, and maybe a few more bluffs in there}
Now to Doyle, he has Kings up, and a call is the best strategy here.
Now for Benefield, he should start ranging Doyle, if at all he's a poker player. And as you said, he's a TIGHT player. His range should look something like {77+, K9s+, KTo+}. Let's for argument shake rule out all the possible bluffs he might have in there and play it as he's a NIT.
Turn: 8d (Gives out a flush draw)
Benefield decides to bet here. 10600 in a pot of 26200. Yikes!
Now I would like to ask you this, what range do you think does that? Do you think a mediocre pair like TT or 99 or JJ, bets twice? Or does he realize his
equity by pot controlling? That too against a NIT?
I'll leave that analysis to you and for you to figure out, how the range drastically changes with a turn bet on such a board.
Rather, I'll talk more about the river VALUE BET by Doyle (I'm not taking away what he's achieved, or what he means for poker. Super System was the first poker book I ever read, and I was blown away with the numerous possibilities of the game)
- If you were in Doyle's chair why would you assume your opponent would have a 6x hand given the action that preceded?
- Would you C-bet 2/3rd pot followed by another 2/3rd T-bet with an under pair? Here's a breakdown of the hands that beat Doyle's on the turn
- Pocket 6s definitely. Unlikely. 1 Combination
- Pocket As definitely. Likely. 6 combinations
- Pocket Ks definitely. Unlikely. 1 combination
- Pocket 8s definitely. Unlikely. 3 combinations
- AK, KQ definitely. 16 combinations (8 + 8)
- 22 likely combinations vs 5 unlikely combinations.
- With 2/3rd R-bet of the 22 likely combinations you bet 16 of them. Why wouldn't a re-raise be warranted here?
[*]If you were in Doyle's chair why would you assume your opponent would have a 6x hand given the action that preceded?
That's why the game has changed. You're just trying too hard to narrow his range down to single or few combos, based on what? Based on the fact that it was an UTG raise pre-flop.
That said, let's talk a bit about the river re-raise (shove), what does that accomplice?
Does AA fold there? Does a 6 fold there? You're laying 3:1 on a call. Do you think bluffs are calling there? On that note, what hand combination, bluffed 3-streets? What value hands bet 3-streets? Only value hand that he was beating is {AK, KQ}, even KQ doesn't bet the turn (some percentage of the time).
I learnt that I can use my tight table image and well time aggression to force looser players off winning yet speculative hands.
Since I'm an MTT player I find this to be a very valuable lesson in the middle stages in a tourney in a table where I've got a well established table image.
Yeah, try that. Build an image of a ROCK and play out the same hand against any decent player. See for yourself if he lays down 3-of-a-kind getting 3:1 on a river bet. #PayOffWizards
Like I said, Benefield lays it down. WEIRD! They call themselves Pros, TV doesn't haze them, yet they make CARDINAL SINS.
So again, did you think you learn something?
P.S. I've said enough dude, there're more pressing issues, situation to analyze. Like KK on a A96 board BU vs BB, I would like to address them.