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In a loose agressive table when almost always they are going all in
What poket cards has more chance to win ??
 
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AA has the best chance to win. KK has the second best. QQ has the third best. So on and so forth for all the pocket pairs XD

AK, AQ, AJ, all the way down the line are after that. Like AK suited, then ak off suit, then Aq suited, then aq off suit.

You can figure it out from there

Edit:

Akorps might be right. Thinking about it now, stuff like 22 might not be as favored in a hand where there's tons of people
 
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AA KK QQ AKsuited JJ AKoff TT AQs 99 88 AQ AJs 77 AJ ATs

is the best ordering of hands I know of for that situation. Anyone know a better order?

edit: after some experiments looks like

AA KK QQ JJ TT 99 AKsuited 88 AKoff AQsuited AJsuited ATsuited AQoff 77 AJoff

might be a better order. Back to the drawing board, have to do some more experiments :)
 
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The thing won't let me edit my post anymore.

My initial thinking was that it's likely that stuff that isn't pocket pair will miss quite a bit.
Then when Akorps posted, I thought he/she might be right cuz with 22, if anything at all hits the flop, it'll lose.
But then at dinner, I thought, what if the opponents going all in have identical cards? 3 people with AK while you're sitting there with 22 means you'll win a lot more.

So I honestly don't know how to calculate it. I know Akorps said to do experiments, but you'd have to test small pocket pairs against everything and record the results of each combination. And that'll take ages :s

So vatopkr, either wait for someone else or just play slightly looser than you normally would :p

I know when you're heads up and all in though, 22 will beat AK a bit more. Eh. I dunno what to do about tables like that except wait for pocket aces and pocket kings. You get em 2 in every 221 hands. So maybe you're playing like a 9 man game? You lose 1.5 BB each time you go round and that's 9 hands. So you'll lose like 18.41 BBs by the time you get Aces or kings. And it looks like it's worth it in your case since you'll get paid off big when it hits XD
 
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The weird thing is, hands that are good heads up sometimes go down in value with more players, while hands that are not that good heads up can go up in value.

So just assume everyone is all in every hand. Then the order is:

heads up: AA KK QQ JJ TT 99 88 AKs 77 AQs AJs AK ATs AQ AJ 66
3 players: AA KK QQ JJ TT 99 AKs 88 AQs AJs AK ATs KQs AQ 77 KJs
4 players: AA KK QQ JJ TT AKs AQs AK AJs KQs 88 ATs AQ KJs KTs QJs
5 players: AA KK QQ JJ TT AKs AQs 99 KQs AJs AK KJs ATs AQ QJs KTs
 
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So just assume everyone is all in every hand. Then the order is:

heads up: AA KK QQ JJ TT 99 88 AKs 77 AQs AJs AK ATs AQ AJ 66

I don't think this is right. I believe It's AA, KK, QQ, JJ, TT, 99, 88, 77, 66, 55, 44, 33, 22, AKs, AKo, AQs, AQo, AJs, AJo, A10s, A10o, A9s, A9o.
The most common outcome will be both players missing in heads up. This means the guy with the higher cards or pocket pairs will win. Also, With AJ vs ATs, ATs is very much unlikely to hit a flush.

Most of the calculators should agree
 
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All in is all in. When many players goes all in you could play any suited card or pair. It is a BINGO and in bingo anything coul happend. You will be surprised of the combinations possibles.
 
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In multiway pots I'd rather have the over cards than a pocket pair (unless its a big pocket pair) since PPs will rarely hit their set its pretty apparent that a small or medium PPbis unlikely to win a multiwsy pot. It astnnishes me how often some micro tournament fish seem to think their 66 is going to hold vs 3+ players. I even see Donna expecting 22 or 33 to hold up in multi way pots. You only really have a chance in that case if your opponents are holding each others outs
 
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If there is 3 players already all in, i only play the hand with AA and i fold all other hands no exception. Exceptionally, If i am short stack (less than 12 big blinds) in a tournament i call them only with AK or any pair because if i hit the trips i probably will triple up my stack and be in a good position in tournament.
 
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The weird thing is, hands that are good heads up sometimes go down in value with more players, while hands that are not that good heads up can go up in value.

So just assume everyone is all in every hand. Then the order is:

heads up: AA KK QQ JJ TT 99 88 AKs 77 AQs AJs AK ATs AQ AJ 66
3 players: AA KK QQ JJ TT 99 AKs 88 AQs AJs AK ATs KQs AQ 77 KJs
4 players: AA KK QQ JJ TT AKs AQs AK AJs KQs 88 ATs AQ KJs KTs QJs
5 players: AA KK QQ JJ TT AKs AQs 99 KQs AJs AK KJs ATs AQ QJs KTs

You missed 99 in 4 players scenario.
 
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I think there is good information here for hand rankings. However It is not very smart to go all-in once there 3 players already all -in Unless you are short stacked. I like the comment made by kmichaels. I personally do not go all-in unless I have a pair higher than 77 or AK. This is only in case if I can possibly loose less than quarter of my stack, if it is early in a cheap or freeroll tourney with hundreds or player or I am less than 10BB and need to double up. Other than that it is a fold and wait for another hand.
 
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Thanks a lot again my pokerpals.
Good hands ranking, but I recognize that I dont have to fall in temptations and play better that my opponents , when I am on tilt dont go all in against this players.
 
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well it depends on stack, but if i have AA or KK I would surely go all in. If I am reallyy shortstack, i would consider 99+ or AQs+, but if not i guess it is a fold
 
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In a loose agressive table when almost always they are going all in
What poket cards has more chance to win ??
im not trying to be mean here but if you don't know how to go use poker stove or equilabs you need to go use it right now and start playing around with ranges because it is the most basic thing you need to begin talking any strategy
 
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