All-in no more

#1 October 9th, 2017, 3:33 AM

I'm not here to complain about bad beat, but I'll make one important observation, with each hand played I recognize that going all-in pre-flop with AA pair being with middle Stack is indeed a wrong move! Today, after performing several All-in pre-flops with pairs like: TT-AA and constantly losing, I recognize that the best move to be made with high pairs is to raise a preflop and a c-bet on the flop, if there is resistance from the opponent and I have not agreed anything the best to do is fold. Beginner players like me, learn to drop hands like AA, KK, QQ. You only get Sharks with three of a kind or better!

#2 October 9th, 2017, 6:22 AM

I'm not sure taking the pre-flop all-in with high pairs move completely out of your rotation is wise. It's still the strongest play with the most fold equity. You may find your high pairs getting cracked more often because there will be more players going against you. Also, if you automatically fold after a c-bet to any kind of resistance, it will send a message to the rest of the table to start playing aggressively against you. It looks like you had a lousy week though, better luck next week!

#3 October 9th, 2017, 6:40 AM

gjwalk, poker game at 11 months, and my opinion as a beginner is you go all-in pre-flop with high pairs when you're short-stack always with enough Stack to takedown. When I have a comfortable Stack, I prefer to play more passively against the villains, and always attacking the short stack by putting pressure to make them fold and I win the pot.

#4 October 9th, 2017, 6:44 AM

Originally Posted by wsbar

I'm not here to complain about bad beat, but I'll make one important observation, with each hand played I recognize that going all-in pre-flop with AA pair being with middle Stack is indeed a wrong move! Today, after performing several All-in pre-flops with pairs like: TT-AA and constantly losing, I recognize that the best move to be made with high pairs is to raise a preflop and a c-bet on the flop, if there is resistance from the opponent and I have not agreed anything the best to do is fold. Beginner players like me, learn to drop hands like AA, KK, QQ. You only get Sharks with three of a kind or better!

yes absolutely, you are right. i agree

#5 October 9th, 2017, 7:08 AM

Originally Posted by wsbar

I'm not here to complain about bad beat, but I'll make one important observation, with each hand played I recognize that going all-in pre-flop with AA pair being with middle Stack is indeed a wrong move! Today, after performing several All-in pre-flops with pairs like: TT-AA and constantly losing, I recognize that the best move to be made with high pairs is to raise a preflop and a c-bet on the flop, if there is resistance from the opponent and I have not agreed anything the best to do is fold. Beginner players like me, learn to drop hands like AA, KK, QQ. You only get Sharks with three of a kind or better!

All right, and this skill does not come immediately,

#6 October 9th, 2017, 7:13 AM

hate to fold AA KK QQ.. QQ i might fold depending on the situation but KK/AA hardly ever i would fold.

#7 October 9th, 2017, 7:17 AM

Originally Posted by zavvt

hate to fold AA KK QQ.. QQ i might fold depending on the situation but KK/AA hardly ever i would fold.

come times like these, and when will such a moment, surprised myself I did the right thing

#8 October 9th, 2017, 10:26 AM

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#9 October 9th, 2017, 11:46 AM

Go all in preflop with AA, KK, or big rais
QQ, JJ, 10 10, BIG RAIS

#10 October 9th, 2017, 11:49 AM

Depends to situation. To cips.to position

#11 October 9th, 2017, 11:57 AM

There a lot of factors on each play

#12 October 9th, 2017, 12:11 PM

Is it always happen or mb you have a bad day?)

#13 October 9th, 2017, 12:22 PM

Melodyman169, Where I play often I always lose. The variance is much lower when playing with regular players. More if it depends on me I will continue to play NIT, I admire the ROCK, that is the style that makes me more comfortable and confident.

#14 October 9th, 2017, 12:25 PM

A popular Brazilian saying goes: "it is from grain to grain that the chicken fills the belly." In poker I prefer to go slow, but I do not miss the opportunity to go all-in when I'm a monster.

#15 October 9th, 2017, 1:14 PM

AA, KK good hands, but in the end it's the older pair, and only

#16 October 9th, 2017, 1:21 PM

Poker to any card you will find the stoppage and top pair will be powerless. Turn equates all!

#17 October 9th, 2017, 1:27 PM

if you gonna C-bet , fold turn or riven , what's the point of playing such a strong hand .. oppenent gonna call the flop 80% of the time , you have to play such a hand agressively and put him a difficult situation , you're not in danger but him (most of the time)

#18 October 9th, 2017, 2:46 PM

I recognize that the best move to be made with high pairs is to raise a preflop and a c-bet on the flop, if there is resistance from the opponent and I have not agreed anything the best to do is fold.

Though i'm a beginner too i can't agree with the approach in general. You can't allow to be predictable: imagine you are heads-up, and if your opponent perceives that you always fold to a reraise on the flop you are effectively done.

Also in a meagre number of tourneys (freerolls only) i've played so far i encountered quite loose+aggressive players for whom raise on the flop was like nothing as they always tried to push the opponent off the table (even with hands like weak king, connectors and or 1-2 gappers); mind you they usually managed to build a big stack and then bullied their medium/short stacks opponents this way. Thus your approach against such players won't work.

Imo there is no universal approach to playing strong pocket pairs; studying and experience should help you to evolve your views.

#19 October 9th, 2017, 3:38 PM

I think with AA QQ QJ JJ you need to give a good raise before the flop, unless of course you are turned in all-in. And then look at the flop and play on the situation

#20 October 9th, 2017, 10:38 PM

It's a bit silly to say 'no more' as there will be times where getting your stack in pre/post flop is best.

#21 October 9th, 2017, 11:01 PM

Your observation is good, I do agree that saying "no more" is not realistic though. You have to pick and choose your battles. And there will be times this makes sense to do, you just have to figure out when it is right for your game... GL

#22 October 9th, 2017, 11:19 PM

Going all in with AA is usually not a good idea, if not short stacked I don't go all in. The best you can do is 3-4 times the BB for a standard bet. You don't want to change your bet if you can help it. Hardest thing I find.
I can most times tell what someone has when they do this. If they play super tight and only raise with AA, KK, QQ, then you can know what they are playing. The best hand to go all in with is 72o, reason being is that most times this is the only way to win with them.
Getting called with big pairs is not a bad thing. Why do you want to chase them off when you have AA? Always makes me laugh when someone shows their AA when everyone folds. Congrats, you made yourself 60 chips and risked 2000. You want them to call, you just don't want them to win.

#23 October 9th, 2017, 11:26 PM

I agree. I have been beat many times with AA and some turkey goes all in with 3 n 8 off suit and hits it on the flop.

#24 October 9th, 2017, 11:42 PM

Originally Posted by Aparajit

yes absolutely, you are right. i agree

i mostly agree too.
What I will add is, mathematicallyits it is never a good idea to fold AA preflop under any circumstance, even if the whole table shoves.
Having said that, for sanity sake, maybe its ok to let one go now and then.
If you have a middle size stack of say 25-40 BB, you shouldn't try to commit all your stack to a race if you don't have to. Sometimes you do have to though

#25 October 10th, 2017, 6:04 PM

Depends on the situation. If you can get it all-in with just one villain, the odds are way in your favour, although I have seen AA go up against AA, and I've even seen that happen where one beat the other by hitting a flush (but I digress).

If you're short, you're more likely to get more callers, but you ARE SHORT after all, so you can't not play Aces in that situation, unless you've been in a tournament for hours and you're one player away from being ITM, maybe.

Now I'd be more likely to play the hand out with a big pair other than AA. Take yesterday for instance - I got it all-in pre-flop with KK and lost to AA. Mind it was a low, dry flop, so I was probably gong to end up putting it all in the middle anyway.

#26 October 10th, 2017, 7:00 PM

making these moves with high pairs is not a bad option you know that you will win most of these hands, so do not beat yourself if you lose an AA with a lower hand, it usually happens

#27 October 10th, 2017, 8:41 PM

Big deep breath it is okay to get it in with AA preflop and lose. It is a part of the game and is going to happen in big spots that sting but just keep your buy in range within proper bankroll management and you can rebuy without another thought.

#28 October 11th, 2017, 9:17 AM

All-in is the simplest preflop solution - learning how to make complex decisions and improve skills...

#29 October 15th, 2017, 6:48 PM

Depends of situation and positions, to be aggressive must have more stacks, about All-in even if you not be chipleader but you have a good hand and villains are few. I believe will be a good idea!

#30 October 16th, 2017, 2:10 AM

I find that I get beat way more often when I try to limp or make a decent raise with hands like AA and KK then when I get to an all in preflop. In the AA situation if your going to fold that with big raises pre flop you are probably not going to do to well in the long run because if you are willing to fold these you will probably be way to passive and get bluffed out of hands way to easy.

#31 October 16th, 2017, 3:57 AM

Originally Posted by wsbar

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#32 October 16th, 2017, 4:18 AM

Going all-in preflop is in itself a bad concept I agree.

You have 2 out of 7 of the possible cards to inform your decision to go all-in and you are choosing to risk with minority information when you can see the flop and have majority information fo what is possible for you (5/7). All-in should be saved for flop moves in my opinion , especially in a tournament as opposed to a cash game. In cash game, you can go allin against very loose-player in my opinion as they are unlikely to leave with your money if you lose so you can win it back from them even if cooler-hand happens.

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