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Hi friends. Probably everyone has seen with the situation:

MTT, first hand and one of the players raise all-in.
what to do in this case? Most of the hands I fold. even where AK-AJ and low pair - 22-99. There is a fear to lose in the first round. Many times I'm having AA-AJ or JJ or QQ to lose for example K8 or 78, J9...
Any Advice? How to deal with them?


p.s. sorry for inglish
 
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in the first 10-15 minutes, I'm trying to get as much information about your opponents at the table. and calls only with monster hands
 
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Unless you have a monster hand, ie one which is most unlikely to lose, simply fold. It isn't worth getting knocked out in the first round.
 
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There's absolutely nothing wrong with folding.

However, in the games I play, there is re-entry for the first hour, so I'm more likely to take a swing with less than I would in a freezeout. People definitely make these shoves VERY wide.

At the same time, it can also make shoving your own KK or AA a very profitable play in the first few hands of a tournament, because people also CALL very wide.

It's not just a micro phenomenon, either... I used to see players do it quite often in the $12 games back before Black Friday.
 
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This is one of the reasons I like to late register to re-buys. I hate to bingo play at the start and prefer to wait until most of that has died out.
 
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In the beginning of the tournament, probably i will call only if i had monster hand, like AA,KK, because it's hard to call all in without have any information about the player
 
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There's absolutely nothing wrong with folding.
However, in the games I play, there is re-entry for the first hour, ...
when possible re-entry, of course you need to try all-in

in the first 10-15 minutes, I'm trying to get as much information about your opponents at the table
I play micro limits and my opponents principally weak players. lots of tables and frequent change of players. they to CALL very wide. it is not possible to calculate. only after 1-2 hours of play remain adequate players.

p.s. about a monster hand like a quote "I Hate Pocket Aces/My Aces Never Win" ;)
 
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It doesn't matter if it's the first hand or not, just play wisely.
 
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It depends of position. Of course You should call that with KK and AA, what about other hands? It would be ok when You know that nobody call it too.
When You will have showdown against only that one player your range can be a little bigger than KK+. His all-in range in first hand is very big so if You will play only against him I think it's ok to call with middle pairs, or something like QK
 
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In the first levels you don't have to risk your place in the tournament unless you have AA or KK. Not even AK because people are going all in with any lower pair and even any Ax so it's not worth to bother. Hang in there and wait for the fishes to get out.
 
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In the first levels you don't have to risk your place in the tournament unless you have AA or KK. Not even AK because people are going all in with any lower pair and even any Ax so it's not worth to bother. Hang in there and wait for the fishes to get out.

This.
 
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Like some of the other posts, I'm only calling with AA or KK. And, when playing a freeroll I hate to be on a table when 5 people go all-in trying to get lucky. But I understand this is the nature of freerolls, and very small buy in tournaments with rebuys and I just have to adjust. And as several players have stated, it's not who has the most chips in the beginning of the tournament that usually wins, but the patient player, so that is how I have patterned my game, with discipline and patience. I've actually won a few tournaments where I barely made the bubble only to move up through the field and make it to the final table. Another piece of advice is that when I see players going all-in like that I look them up on sharkscope. Sharkscope provides me with plenty of information on whether this is a winning player, his ROI, etc. Very useful short term, and long term.
 
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I only call all ins in the first part of a mtt with ak or aa
 
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In the first levels you don't have to risk your place in the tournament unless you have AA or KK. Not even AK because people are going all in with any lower pair and even any Ax so it's not worth to bother. Hang in there and wait for the fishes to get out.

If people are going all-in with much worse hands, then calling with literally only the top 1% of hands is -EV.

You may choose not to endanger yourself, and that's fine and good -- but if you know they are shoving much wider, and you still will only call with AA and KK, you are turning down a lot of profitable situations to double up.
 
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Hi friends. Probably everyone has seen with the situation:

MTT, first hand and one of the players raise all-in.
what to do in this case? Most of the hands I fold. even where AK-AJ and low pair - 22-99. There is a fear to lose in the first round. Many times I'm having AA-AJ or JJ or QQ to lose for example K8 or 78, J9...
Any Advice? How to deal with them?


p.s. sorry for inglish

first where are you playing what poker room. Second what types of tournaments are these? Meaning cost of entry are they rebuys do you play multiple rooms or one game at a time etc.. All these things are a factor to how I would play is this re entry or rebuy add on events? How long is late registration?

Next biggest thing when have all that information would be note taking on each player and their history. If is a new game you got to get started somewhere with notes or at least that is where I start. I do not take notes on each and every game or each and every person but the notes I do not take is because I already know this player from here etc.. If is new field etc.. im taking notes especially for future reference and in freezeouts. I play multiple games at a time so most times im looser than should be but I come out ok and ahead. In most situations that you have related I would be calling people. Especially if the parameters meet expectation or mine. I find to be most often a lot of players need stacks to be comfortable. They are very loose early so me calling all ins with pockets is something I do regularly cause often is easy chips and they are playing jack 7 offsuit and just an nut:)

Do i get beaten every day do I win a little sure its poker

I also never play in fear is always a next game:) That makes it easier to make calls
 
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Definitely want to have AA or KK otherwise too risky too early in the tournament. Also the number of callers and table position should aid in your decision.
 
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Agree with most others. AA, KK then you have to. Sure, you'll lose a bunch but over the long term you'll win.

If you know your opponents (if you play the same tournaments all the time then you probably do) then you'll know if they're playing bingo or not. The biggest issue is whether the tourny is a rebuy or not and if you have a decent wallet.
 
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playing in the tournament with a lot of players with good cards , you can go ALL IN ... and get a good stack and the beginning
 
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It depends on which sort of tournament you play.
I play alot of micro-turbo tournaments, so I go all-in in such cases. Because you need to win some chips fast, otherwise you will be blind-out in no-time.
 
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I always play my game.
It does not matter which hand is. Micro, Turbo turnaments require aggressive play.
 
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Depends from your judjement, because it is not wise to expect to win only with AA, AK, AQ etc!
 
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Depending on the tournament, I usually call all-ins in the firsts hands with AK+.
 
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I'm not going to fold my A-A pre-flop to anyone at pretty much any time, not the first hand of a tourney, not on the bubble. If you get me, I guess you just get me. Any other hand I would probably go ahead and fold and let the donkeys knock each other out while I take note of who played what and start getting an idea of where I can expect my chips to come from.
 
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pokerstars FAKE?

a lot of people just go all-in with K-9 and J-8.
bad thing is they usually wins from AK / JJ by hitting straights and shit.
although i think the pokerstars software is rigged.
there servers are in countries without any laws to check.
i think pokerstars should be banned all over the world unless there is some form of control over it
 
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I tend to call a little wider as most people are shoving wide and a double early gives you huge advantages. You're looking to win the tourney not min cash. That said you want to make sure you feel like you're ahead of villains range
 
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