re: Poker & all in or call and push any flop?
Originally Posted by cracksniper
Thanks for the replies lads the payout structure was basically if the other two short stacks went out before me if I would have come 6th then I would have got around the £220-250 mark. There may have also been the possibility of a multiway chop at this point.
I put her on a big hand obviously but AQ or AK and with that amount of chips I was obvioulsy playing this hand as one of you said you have to win races at some point. I shoved and she took ages to call and showed AQ she hit her Q on the turn and I went out.
All I can say is that i got my money in in front and if i would have held up would have been chip leader. The only other question is the call and push if no big cards come out. She's not calling if she doesn't hit but the ai gives her 5 chances to hit, but it's still a big call from her she must have know she was behind as I'm not shoving with AJ!! Also she would have been virtually out of the tourney with little more than 4-5 bbs left. I think it's a bad call on her behalf and she got lucky.
My opinion anyway guys you have to win races but I would rather be the one that shoves first as they can always fold.
Lastly, you have all the info you need I can't give you a book on it....
I think I'm just shoving if I'm her, not just min betting to then tank over to call or not, not sure why she took so long to call it off? Anyway, irrelvent,
You definitely can't call here unless you are being tricky and playing Aces/Kings at this point, I don't think calling is an option as you're basically hoping to hit your set or shove if no over cards come, which chances are won't happen. Besides which, with only 10 blinds left, this is a huge error to just call with a small pair.
By the way, you say she must think she is behind, but I really am snap calling this if I'm her IF I'm shoved on myself, more times than not you're are ahead in these situations with A,Q. It's a monster when you're 10-15blinds. Sure you should/could be shoving A,J here, hell there is argument to shove A,10+//K,Js+ to a min raise here..I would be.
She can't expect to really be behind most of the time here, she is only ever behind to A,K,Queens+ and peoples ranges with 10blinds left are much wider, she HAS to call of after open min raising she can't fold. Secondly, if (which was the case) she was a coin flip pretty much with you, again another spot where a coin flip and race is needed, you or her can't really be picking and choosing to folding hands here. Both hands are good enough to be put in the middle and taking the flip.
I think she shoudl be shoving to start with and you should be snap calling with 6'6s everytime as a couple of hands later, you're going to be 8blinds deep. I think the only error here was her min raising (maybe not even an error if she expects to get someone shove wider with like A,7+ K,J+.