Ah Qh-how many outs i have

miamia · Mar 8, 2014

playing cash nl 1/2
UTG raise 6
EP-fold
Button-fold
DEALER-pay 6
SB-fold
BB(miamia)hold Ah Qh pay 4
flop -Kh 7h 10c
so how many outs i have and how i count of possibility to get card on turn or river?if utg raise 3 bet

Ronoh · Mar 8, 2014

miamia said:
playing cash nl 1/2
UTG raise 6
EP-fold
Button-fold
DEALER-pay 6
SB-fold
BB(miamia)hold Ah Qh pay 4
flop -Kh 7h 10c
so how many outs i have and how i count of possibility to get card on turn or river?if utg raise 3 bet

How many outs? Depends what your opponents hold, you could be in the lead. You have 11 cards to the nuts with 47 unknowns on the turn and 10 out of 46 on the river if the turn misses and doesn't pair the board. Is this what you're after?

steveiam · Mar 8, 2014

miamia said:
playing cash nl 1/2
UTG raise 6
EP-fold
Button-fold
DEALER-pay 6
SB-fold
BB(miamia)hold Ah Qh pay 4
flop -Kh 7h 10c
so how many outs i have and how i count of possibility to get card on turn or river?if utg raise 3 bet

No offence but if your asking these sort of questions you are playing at the wrong level..Unless you are loaded and can afford big losses..

steffdbird · Mar 8, 2014

steveiam said:
No offence but if your asking these sort of questions you are playing at the wrong level..Unless you are loaded and can afford big losses..

Haha yeah but I think its 1c/2c as your right someone playing 200nl ain't gonna ask that

Ronoh · Mar 8, 2014

steveiam said:
No offence but if your asking these sort of questions you are playing at the wrong level..Unless you are loaded and can afford big losses..

Not going to find a cheaper game in most casinos... I'd never tell anyone to not go have fun at the casino, don't have to be rolled for the game as I'm pretty sure he not a regular

steffdbird · Mar 8, 2014

Ronoh said:
Not going to find a cheaper game in most casinos... I'd never tell anyone to not go have fun at the casino, don't have to be rolled for the game as I'm pretty sure he not a regular

Yeah but thats assuming hes playing at a casino most likely he is playing online here though

Ronoh · Mar 8, 2014

steffdbird said:
Haha yeah but I think its 1c/2c as your right someone playing 200nl ain't gonna ask that

There aren't people playing 1/2 online (or live) that aren't sure what they're doing? I've seen it at higher levels than that... stakes don't = skill level.

el_magiciann · Mar 8, 2014

lol its really interesting thread, i think if you don't know how many outs you have and you feel lucky then you can call with this one and you will win if you hit : )

steffdbird · Mar 8, 2014

Ronoh said:
There aren't people playing 1/2 online (or live) that aren't sure what they're doing? I've seen it at higher levels than that... stakes don't = skill level.

Lol well if someone is playing $1/$2 and doesn't know the the most needed and most used concept of counting outs and calculating odds then they shouldn't be anywhere near them tables :s unless there mega rich haha.

Ronoh · Mar 8, 2014

steffdbird said:
Lol well if someone is playing $1/$2 and doesn't know the the most needed and most used concept of counting outs and calculating odds then they shouldn't be anywhere near them tables

This is a silly statement... most people who play poker haven't "studied the game". Most people who play poker don't belong to a poker forum. Most people who play poker aren't poker players. I'm betting a surprisingly high percentage of people playing poker wouldn't know what you were talking about if they heard you say the words "counting outs and calculating odds".

Do you think most people playing blackjack are bankrolled for the swings of the game they are playing? I was a dealer and pit boss in Vegas for seven years and can tell you an astonishingly high percentage of people playing blackjack don't understand or care to understand basic strategy.

Apply to above blackjack example to people playing poker... most of them are only just that, people playing poker.

steffdbird · Mar 8, 2014

haha

Ronoh said:
This is a silly statement... most people who play poker haven't "studied the game". Most people who play poker don't belong to a poker forum. Most people who play poker aren't poker players. I'm betting a surprisingly high percentage of people playing poker wouldn't know what you were talking about if they heard you say the words "counting outs and calculating odds".

Do you think most people playing blackjack are bankrolled for the swings of the game they are playing? I was a dealer and pit boss in Vegas for seven years and can tell you an astonishingly high percentage of people playing blackjack don't understand or care to understand basic strategy.

Apply to above blackjack example to people playing poker... most of them are only just that, people playing poker.

That whole statement doesn't change the fact that anyone that doesn't know about outs and odds shouldn't be playing at this level

its crazy for someone who is oblivious to the basic understanding of poker to be at this kind of table ofcoarse there a people with loads of cash that play for fun. lol

Ronoh · Mar 8, 2014

steffdbird said:
That whole statement doesn't change the fact that anyone that doesn't know about outs and odds shouldn't be playing at this level its crazy for someone who is oblivious to the basic understanding of poker to be at this kind of table ofcoarse there a people with loads of cash that play for fun. lol

"This level" isn't nearly as big as you are making it out to be... it's $1/$2 for crying out loud. It's the absolute cheapest game you can find live most places (many don't even go that low) and you're acting like it's high stakes online poker

steffdbird · Mar 8, 2014

lol

Ronoh said:
"This level" isn't nearly as big as you are making it out to be... it's $1/$2 for crying out loud. It's the absolute cheapest game you can find live most places (many don't even go that low) and you're acting like it's high stakes online poker

I know its not much live I'm talking about online :s anyways I'm finished here were ruining this poor guys thread

skrsh76 · Mar 8, 2014

I most definitely think this is online as in my view if it is live $1/$2 you can't find a 6 max table in most casinos.. But I agree in live poker, a lot of people play for fun.. I once played £45 buy in when a few of my friends who all were learning poker played didn't have a clue of outs and odds....and needless to say busted out early

.. £45 was entertainment money..but I did win that back in roulette

miamia · Mar 9, 2014

Ok wtf!!!I ask simple question and dont get answer,but mockery,its second time here,.I simple ask because i dont know can i count aces here...F...King hyipocrates

Ronoh · Mar 9, 2014

miamia said:
Ok wtf!!!I ask simple question and dont get answer,but mockery,

I answered your question in my first post

miamia said:
I simple ask because i dont know can i count aces here...

I even (sort of) covered this by saying you may even be ahead... are we supposed to know what villains have?

UTG raise can mean anything... you didn't repop preflop with a big hand, we have zero information.

Button call can mean anything... you didn't repop preflop with a big hand, we have zero information.

miamia said:
F...King hyipocrates

Foul mouth and I was even nice about my posts trying to answer your question without berating you in any way. You are facing a raise, a call and will be first to act after the flop with a top 10 preflop hand and absolutely no idea where you stand... reraise preflop to gain a bit of information.

F...King moron.

BearPlay · Mar 9, 2014

miamia said:
playing cash nl 1/2
UTG raise 6
EP-fold
Button-fold
DEALER-pay 6
SB-fold
BB(miamia)hold Ah Qh pay 4
flop -Kh 7h 10c
so how many outs i have and how i count of possibility to get card on turn or river?if utg raise 3 bet

With such a wet board, even though you have TPGK, your hand will most likely have to improve to take this pot down.

Post-flop, if you put villain on 2 pair, such as KTo, you have 18 outs.

If you put villain on a flush draw, such as T9h, you have 25 outs.

To your credit, your villain may be on a flush draw, but you also have the nut flush draw, as well as a broadway draw, which IMO justifies two barrels to try to take this pot down.

Ronoh · Mar 9, 2014

BearPlay said:
With such a wet board, even though you have TPGK, your hand will most likely have to improve to take this pot down.

Post-flop, if you put villain on 2 pair, such as KTo, you have 18 outs.

If you put villain on a flush draw, such as T9h, you have 25 outs.

To your credit, your villain may be on a flush draw, but you also have the nut flush draw, as well as a broadway draw, which IMO justifies two barrels to try to take this pot down.

Hero doesn't have TPGK, he doesn't have any pair/any kicker... I'm assuming this flawed the logic in the rest of the post because I'm not understanding any of it

BearPlay · Mar 9, 2014

Thanks for the catch, Ronoh, I actually mixed that reply up with a hand that I was helping a friend with in a PM, which had AQ on the flop. Aargh.

torosanti012 · Mar 9, 2014

well the outs are cards you need to turn a losing hand into a winning hand, therefore for you to count your outs you must believe you're behind in the hand. Now let's say your opponent had just a pair of kings, your out with be the 9 hearts left in the deck and the 3 aces to make a better pair, so therefore 12 outs which will give you a percentage of winning of about 45%
now it would be different if your opponent held 2 pair, then you'd be looking for just a heart which would mean 9 outs and about 36% chance of winning

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