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how do you play an overly aggressive player that keeps bettting. and overbetting like maniacs? and also player position where you wana be sitting left or right of a player? tags lags and nits limpers? and how much can you win on average playin micros 2nl ?
 
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Hit a hand, leave them to hang themselves.

nits to their right, every other type to their left.

Not much, just move up to 10NL
 
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seriously tryin to but my br keep goin up n down up and down and when its up i keep losing to donkeys and bad beats. iono wat i can do to win consistantly i would get a pretty good hand and den lose to something better its starting to get ridiculous. ive been watchin alotta of the videos here iono how u guys dont get wat i get but kudos
 
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Anything you guys think i should take a look at n study from 6max would help too suggestions
 
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I wouldn't worry about winnings until you've got about 20,000 hands played
 
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i think i played 20 k hhands already if u count the hands ifolded also i counted hands dealt on my account thing its at 20k. wow thats alot of hands
 
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Ya pretty much just let them barrel. Although at the micros (especially NL10 and below) there will be very few players who are like this. I would just put in the bets yourself the vast majority of the time.
 
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Be more aggressive than them, change tables.
 
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1. you can't just sit back and wait for a big hand (sometimes) if the player knows what they are doing, then they will be able to see through you easily, you have to mask your big hands in some way...

2. I forgot
 
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you want to sit ahead of them so you can see where they are in action. I love to slow play and smooth call and aggressive player. Though soemtimes you get caught slipping, mostly though just sitting ahead of them elimnates alot of hassel becuase they can determine for you exactly how you play your hand and sometimes its best they aggressively bet you off a meduim top hand and make you only settle for the best!
 
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It's preferable to have the loose aggressive players on your right so they act before you do. While you can nit up and wait for big hands, that's not necessarily the best course. Loose players play lots of hands, which means they have wide ranges. The power of position means that when you have it, it's profitable to play a wide range as well, at least when you can isolate them in two-way pots.

This does mean you'll lose more pots than if you nit up. However, you'll win more too, and it's the balance that matters. Plus the more you wait, the greater the chances that the LAG will lose his money to someone else.
 
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agg players will always outplay a non agg player. there ranges are so wide and you cant really put them on a hand. also you wait for a hand like AK and they call ur raise with like a 10 9 sooted, flop A 9 10 and thats where they get ya . you just have to always see where your at with a reraise and see how they proceed? i have learned that these days you can not just play tight because most young players have changed the game. any 2 will do these days !
 
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agg players will always outplay a non agg player. there ranges are so wide and you cant really put them on a hand. also you wait for a hand like AK and they call ur raise with like a 10 9 sooted, flop A 9 10 and thats where they get ya . you just have to always see where your at with a reraise and see how they proceed? i have learned that these days you can not just play tight because most young players have changed the game. any 2 will do these days !

yea and nothing matters til you get to that river card sigh.. lol just today my Aces cracked 5 times and i won 3 times with aces but thats when nobody called..well try again tommora

and thanks for the advice guys
 
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agg players will always outplay a non agg player. there ranges are so wide and you cant really put them on a hand. also you wait for a hand like AK and they call ur raise with like a 10 9 sooted, flop A 9 10 and thats where they get ya . you just have to always see where your at with a reraise and see how they proceed? i have learned that these days you can not just play tight because most young players have changed the game. any 2 will do these days !
It's far too sweeping a generalization to say aggros will always outplay tight players. It completely leaves out not so minor factors like skill differential and position.

As for the example, when you play AK vs T9s, especially in position, you won't win every hand, but unless you have major leaks in your game, you will make a nice profit over a meaningful sample size.

And while it's hard to fault re-raising the flop, it's certainly not the only possible choice. If you're ahead with your TPTK, which you are against a large majority of his wide range, particularly if he's firing all his air, which is likely since he is aggro after all, you want to try to get him to put more money in the pot rather than to fold him out.
 
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It's far too sweeping a generalization to say aggros will always outplay tight players. It completely leaves out not so minor factors like skill differential and position.

As for the example, when you play AK vs T9s, especially in position, you won't win every hand, but unless you have major leaks in your game, you will make a nice profit over a meaningful sample size.

And while it's hard to fault re-raising the flop, it's certainly not the only possible choice. If you're ahead with your TPTK, which you are against a large majority of his wide range, particularly if he's firing all his air, which is likely since he is aggro after all, you want to try to get him to put more money in the pot rather than to fold him out.

That wording is just wrong.
 
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When I'm in a hand I'm very aggressive. I find that the person that takes me down just soft plays me to the river, then pounces. Mainly because I have no problem firing a third barrel. A major advantage to the holder of the nutz.

I've finally started seeing the cues and am able to put on the brakes. But I gotta tell ya, it's hard for an aggressive player to change gears. Specially if they think they're ahead in the hand. A leak made specifically for the trapper. :p


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That wording is just wrong.

Tight players can be aggressive too. Though LAG are more dangerous postflop as the range is wider and less predictable than a TAG.
Give me a loose passive calling station or a nitty passive player any day over an aggro player. You can make these guys call big or fold to death all day. AF less than 1 you can pretty classify as calling station. Aggressive frequency may e better to define a passive nit
 
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Tight players can be aggressive too. Though LAG are more dangerous postflop as the range is wider and less predictable than a TAG.
Give me a loose passive calling station or a nitty passive player any day over an aggro player. You can make these guys call big or fold to death all day. AF less than 1 you can pretty classify as calling station. Aggressive frequency may e better to define a passive nit

Yes I'm aware of that. He said though that aggro players won't necessarily beat tight player. It's like saying that young man won't always beat that tall man. The two words are irrelevant when you put them in a sentence like that
 
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just wanted to share my cracked aces today lol. i got it in tho so just unlucky i guess?
Hand#2853015972001224 - Rome (6-max, shallow) 15972 -- $0.02/$0.04 NL Hold'em -- 2012/01/27 - 12:28:03
Dealer: Seat 9
Seat 1: Ryan2sick ($2.30 in chips)
Seat 2: Natalya7777 ($0.89 in chips)
Seat 3: DURRRRsUncle ($1.96 in chips)
Seat 8: wle221 ($2.33 in chips)
Seat 9: Stoneyman ($0.77 in chips)
Seat 10: DeepStackDan ($3.89 in chips)
DeepStackDan: posts small blind $0.02
Ryan2sick: posts big blind $0.04
Dealt to Stoneyman [Ah,Ad]
Natalya7777: raises to $0.14
DURRRRsUncle: folds
wle221: folds
Stoneyman: raises to $0.48
DeepStackDan: folds
Ryan2sick: folds
Natalya7777: is all in $0.75
Stoneyman: is all in $0.29
Natalya7777: returns uncalled bet $0.12
Natalya7777: shows [Ks Kh]
Stoneyman: shows [Ah Ad]
*** FLOP *** [8d,6s,7c]
*** TURN *** [Kc]
*** RIVER *** [Js]
***SHOW DOWN***
Natalya7777 wins $1.50 with Three of a Kind Kings
 
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Hand#2854015975000006 - Rome (6-max, shallow) 15975 -- $0.02/$0.04 NL Hold'em -- 2012/01/27 - 16:04:01
Dealer: Seat 9
Seat 1: quakeMANIAC ($1.88 in chips)
Seat 2: poderaser ($0.91 in chips)
Seat 3: Exxtra ($0.89 in chips)
Seat 8: BigWood12 ($0.76 in chips)
Seat 9: Stoneyman ($1.36 in chips)
quakeMANIAC: posts small blind $0.02
poderaser: posts big blind $0.04
Dealt to Stoneyman [Ah,Ad]
Exxtra: raises to $0.08
BigWood12: folds
Stoneyman: raises to $0.24
quakeMANIAC: is all in $1.86
poderaser: folds
Exxtra: is all in $0.81
Stoneyman: is all in $1.12
quakeMANIAC: returns uncalled bet $0.52
quakeMANIAC: shows [Ks Ac]
Exxtra: shows [As Qd]
Stoneyman: shows [Ah Ad]
*** FLOP *** [Kc,9d,3d]
*** TURN *** [Qc]
*** RIVER *** [Kh]
***SHOW DOWN***
quakeMANIAC wins $0.88 with Three of a Kind Kings
***SHOW DOWN***
quakeMANIAC wins $2.53 with Three of a Kind Kings



:-(((
 
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ya also play game agressivaly bt with wisly.n i like the agressive player
 
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You can still play aggressively while playing tight.
 
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The LAGs present a problem if you are on a particularly cold stretch. If you keep missing the board. Eventually you make a mistake like going crazy with TT/JJ.

However, if you do hit a hand, these guys are easy.

Also, I would pay attention to whether he slows down if you represent you have something. How crazy aggro he is determines whether you can resteal or should just let him keep firing.
 
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simple thing you can do against over agressive players is CHECK...they see checks as a weakness then they will bet thinking you dont have anything and you can continue to slow play
 
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simple thing you can do against over agressive players is CHECK...they see checks as a weakness then they will bet thinking you dont have anything and you can continue to slow play

I prefer to check raise these types of players.
 
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