against an aggressive opponent who will not fold

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I played at this table where I stayed about 100 hands. I had this guy sitting on my right who would just refuse to fold when he’s in a pot. Normally that’s great, but not when I am not hitting the board at all or not getting any great hole cards.

I had 33 and 55 once. Didn’t play the small pairs as there were big raises preflop. And AQ twice. Raised his limps about 4xbb both times but he out flopped me both times with crap hands 8 10 and K6. I went to showdown the first time and folded the second time with K99 on the board and he showed a K.

I didn’t like the way the cards were falling (tons of K3, J6, 84 kind of crap, which I folded and hitting air in the few pots I got into), but with a guy like this I kept telling myself that I could easily double up if I finally caught the cards. Never did. Or when I did catch something, he wasn’t in the pot.

He ended up finally losing after building up a nice stack but donking it off to other people. And after he left, I left. I had lost nearly 2/3 my stack at the table. Should I have left for another table when the cards were not coming? Just shove with AQ when he limps? I guess 4xbb raise was too small to chase him off right?
 
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#1 You have to have more patience. Just because there's a bad player on your table doesn't mean that you're going to be the one to win his chips. The cards have to come in order to do that...

#2 Don't try to bluff a calling station. (From the way you're describing he sounds like a calling station not aggressive) You need to have a hand and then push it.. <_<

If you get impatient (if this was online) start playing 3-4 tables and stop counting the good hands you got. :p
 
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Keep in mind that you're in a high variance situation here. Very profitable over the long run, but frustrating when you have to fold a ton postflop. dantheman is right, patience is the key here.
 
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This particular guy was aggressive. He would raise if you check, and call if you raise. Normally that’s a sign of prey, but not when you only have two overcards and their mid or bottom pair is good. Made it frustrating. Last night was totally different. I flopped the nut flush twice, and two pairs (AJ) once. Hit trips and flush on the turn another time. But no such players on my tables this night. Only managed to double up once on the AJ hand (vs. KJ) and won about 2 buy ins on the night. Felt like I should have won more with the cards were falling in my favor. Such a rarity.
 
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#1 You have to have more patience. Just because there's a bad player on your table doesn't mean that you're going to be the one to win his chips. The cards have to come in order to do that...

#2 Don't try to bluff a calling station. (From the way you're describing he sounds like a calling station not aggressive) You need to have a hand and then push it.. <_<

If you get impatient (if this was online) start playing 3-4 tables and stop counting the good hands you got. :p


Have to agree with this posters advice...I mean, If you raise and he calls, then don't bluff him, simply put...If you check and he's raising, don't call with air, Don't float thinking you can bluff him on a later street, or Don't call him because you know he's bluffing and you want to set it up on a later street to do so...Over just wait it out is the best you can do against this type of player
 
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Just sat 50+ hands at another table with aggressive ppl who were raising and going to showdowns with ace high and a pair of 5s. Incredibly, I got two moderately playable hands (A9os, Q10os, neither of which I played). I ended up seeing 4 flops in the whole stretch, 3 of which was a check on BB.

I stole two pots... but that was all I was able to do. Of the folded hands, I hit nothing either, except for one where I would have flopped a straight with 86os. I wasn't gonna play that UTG though.

Then I finally had it and left the table. Second hand at the new table? AK! Then 2 hands later, AA! But these guys all folded.

Would have gotten paid off even if I got one premium hand at the first table.

Maddening stuff.
 
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I played at this table where I stayed about 100 hands. I had this guy sitting on my right who would just refuse to fold when he’s in a pot. Normally that’s great, but not when I am not hitting the board at all or not getting any great hole cards.

I had 33 and 55 once. Didn’t play the small pairs as there were big raises preflop. And AQ twice. Raised his limps about 4xbb both times but he out flopped me both times with crap hands 8 10 and K6. I went to showdown the first time and folded the second time with K99 on the board and he showed a K.

I didn’t like the way the cards were falling (tons of K3, J6, 84 kind of crap, which I folded and hitting air in the few pots I got into), but with a guy like this I kept telling myself that I could easily double up if I finally caught the cards. Never did. Or when I did catch something, he wasn’t in the pot.

He ended up finally losing after building up a nice stack but donking it off to other people. And after he left, I left. I had lost nearly 2/3 my stack at the table. Should I have left for another table when the cards were not coming? Just shove with AQ when he limps? I guess 4xbb raise was too small to chase him off right?

When I come across a player like that I really loosen up depending on the amount of players left and if no one else is competing.

Why wait for good cards if you know that your medium hands are good enough to take it down?
 
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I played last night a guy who called with junk every hand i played. He busted me twice geting lucky at the right time and i lost twice my stack. I was patient and after half an hour i took my money back from him and more. I was lucky he didn't left the table but i also took money from others the guys from that table. I made 6 dollars at microstakes after i lost 2 of my own. That guy who was lucky for a while ended losing his 7 dollar stack , 3 dollars to me. He was not a bad player but i think he becomed used hitting the flop a lot. When that soped happening he become tilted.
 
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Just sat 50+ hands at another table with aggressive ppl who were raising and going to showdowns with ace high and a pair of 5s. Incredibly, I got two moderately playable hands (A9os, Q10os, neither of which I played). I ended up seeing 4 flops in the whole stretch, 3 of which was a check on BB.

I stole two pots... but that was all I was able to do. Of the folded hands, I hit nothing either, except for one where I would have flopped a straight with 86os. I wasn't gonna play that UTG though.

Then I finally had it and left the table. Second hand at the new table? AK! Then 2 hands later, AA! But these guys all folded.

Would have gotten paid off even if I got one premium hand at the first table.

Maddening stuff.


I bite myfingers when AA comes when i am BB and everyone folds before me includind SB , without even having the chance to play that hand. :D
And is more frustratig this happening when playing at a loose table and the other guy all geting junk and folding.
 
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I had everyone show their hands one day when I had AA in the BB and everyone folded to me. It was amazing what they had. Everyone was holding 29o!!!
 
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I tend to fold most hands against a player like you describe. However when I do get a top 6 hnad I will play it very aggressively and take my chances against him. In the long run good poker will always beat lucky poker.
 
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I think it's a good thing to consider which player(s) your money is 'likely' to be coming from, & things like isolating them when you've got position on them, etc. Don't try to target a player so much where you're thinking, "I'm gonna get that phucker!"
I love players like the one you've described. I will likely add them to my 'friends list' & know there's a good chance I'll be able to sit with them sometime in the future, armed with prior knowledge & notes.
sidenote.... I do notice that alot of the players on my 'friends list' don't last too long on the sites. Alot of them are there for about a week or two & then poof... they're gone... sigh.
 
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play tighter due to that he is a calling station. small ball poker would also work as well
 
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I think it's a good thing to consider which player(s) your money is 'likely' to be coming from, & things like isolating them when you've got position on them, etc. Don't try to target a player so much where you're thinking, "I'm gonna get that phucker!"
I love players like the one you've described. I will likely add them to my 'friends list' & know there's a good chance I'll be able to sit with them sometime in the future, armed with prior knowledge & notes.
sidenote.... I do notice that alot of the players on my 'friends list' don't last too long on the sites. Alot of them are there for about a week or two & then poof... they're gone... sigh.

Yes. This is exactly the player who will be paying you off when you get a good hand. Bless their souls! But you need patience to play them.

I remember sitting at a table where a more aggressive version of this type sat down. Raised every hand, raised every reraise (this was limit.) Eventually, the rest of us all calmed down and took turns taking his money. In every hand, someone has good cards, and they usually beat the maniac. Occasionally, the maniac would get lucky again, but the rest of us knew it was temporary.

Sadly, players like this do not last long. They get tired of being beat. Or they learn how to play.
 
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