Ace King ... Hand misleading and problematic

jorzunik · Sep 9, 2013

Well ... I think the title says it all, (being or not in suit) hand has been more difficult to play for me in any form (MTT, Cash, SNG) ... lately game was by far the most lost me (in push or postflop play) ... I know perfectly preflop play when pushear or when throwing ...

advise me to do?

These are my moves:

Open Raise
Raise Over Limpers
Reraise vs Raise
Push 1vs1
Fold Push vs. more than 2 players
Vs Raise Fold-Reraise

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DevilMe03 · Sep 10, 2013

Depending on the action and my positon i vary my play with AK.
1. In early position raising is the right play. I C bet 100 % of time and 2 barral on turn too.
2. In middle position you can call to see a flop. But if you think your opponent will call any Ax i would prefer shoving as better option.
3.On a loose table i pretty much shove preflop because most of the times you will be against Ax or pair. You are behind AA and KK and basically a coin flip against pocket pairs.
4. In late position i prefer calling more than reraising .
5. If you are confident about your postflop skills you can call more often. If not then pushing all in is better play.
6. On calling all in raises of others , i will call except if there are 3 or more players inalready in heavy action. In live play you could be more certain if someone has AA or KK and you can fold but online i usually go with call.

Jblocher1 · Sep 10, 2013

jorzunik said:
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very good arguments the'll take into account thanks for your opinion

Don't listen to all of that... AK is a raise always if ur opening the pot. U should be opening in late position with a lot worse than AK. You should be four betting when re raised most of the time. Don't just open shove AK dude... It's a bad play. IMO open for a standard 2/3 pot bet. A lot of players tend to flat a 3 bet and check fold when they miss but that is a terrible line. Don't take it. AK is a powerful pre flop weapon. You either have ur opponent dominated, ur flipping or he has one of 2 hands that got you dominated. At the micros which is where I assume u r playing. U can profitably get it in pre with AK. There are loads of threads about playing AK. Look into them

jcla6985 · Sep 10, 2013

im always re-raising pre flop unless there is a silly super large bet, and 99 percent of the time making a 50 or 75 percent continuation bet even when nothing pops up

ak725 · Sep 11, 2013

AK is not so good as it looks.
the pot is A 8 K. your oponent raise big, will you call ?
remember, you have only 2 pair but he could have 8 8.
It is happened to me.

DevilMe03 · Sep 11, 2013

Jblocher1 said:
Don't listen to all of that... AK is a raise always if ur opening the pot. U should be opening in late position with a lot worse than AK. You should be four betting when re raised most of the time. Don't just open shove AK dude... It's a bad play. IMO open for a standard 2/3 pot bet. A lot of players tend to flat a 3 bet and check fold when they miss but that is a terrible line. Don't take it. AK is a powerful pre flop weapon. You either have ur opponent dominated, ur flipping or he has one of 2 hands that got you dominated. At the micros which is where I assume u r playing. U can profitably get it in pre with AK. There are loads of threads about playing AK. Look into them

First of all i m not advocating flat calling ak in any position. But if i have position i would vary between call and raise if pot is already opened.
Second of all AK is not super strong hand after the flop. It is the best drawing hand though. So i would not like to risk my whole tournament on coin flips especially in live tournaments. But in microstakes i would not mind getting it all in at earlier stages.

Jblocher1 · Sep 11, 2013

DevilMe03;2179929. But if i have position i would vary between call and raise if pot is already opened.[/QUOTE said:
Always 3 bet... Flatting raise with AK is pretty weak

matiusaa · Sep 11, 2013

I think this will make it clearer. AKs is almost as good as QQ. It is a premium hand and you have to take value out of it. It is a very strong hand, because if you hit an A or a K on the flop, you have tptk, and you also may catch a flush draw. The thing is to know how to fold it when you don't get it paired.
For me, AKs is better than jacks

Aces2w1n · Sep 13, 2013

First things first.. LOOK at your opponents stats or remember the dynamics of a table before entering the hand... What position are u and what have others done in late/early/blind situations...

When you start learning a few more things you can slowplay in late position against agro opponents etc... Anyways just have fun with this hand, so much can go right with it but ofc you'll get ppl hitting a set.

Just remember the main thing with this is to valuebet... Your never bluffing with this unless the boards unconnected with u at anyway and then u have a bluff catcher and at the micros it's not the best to try and catch ppl bluffing since ppl will have any kind of hand and hit weak and still call.

When ppl just flat call... Just keep raising with Top Pair Top kicker chances are ppl are drawing and trying to get straights or flushes on u..

Most times you'll get it and the odd occasions you'll stack the other person... Trick is to add ur chips more times than ur opponent.

Good luck!

xzquit · Sep 13, 2013

ak725 said:
AK is not so good as it looks.
the pot is A 8 K. your oponent raise big, will you call ?
remember, you have only 2 pair but he could have 8 8.
It is happened to me.

Me also happened to me.. I have AK, the pot is
K 6 A, my oponent raise i re-raise he all in i call, and he have 66...
I have 2 pair (AA KK) he have three of a king (666).
I agree with you man!

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dolchinkov · Sep 13, 2013

jorzunik said:
Well ... I think the title says it all, (being or not in suit) hand has been more difficult to play for me in any form (MTT, Cash, SNG) ... lately game was by far the most lost me (in push or postflop play) ... I know perfectly preflop play when pushear or when throwing ...

advise me to do?

These are my moves:

Open Raise
Raise Over Limpers
Reraise vs Raise
Push 1vs1
Fold Push vs. more than 2 players
Vs Raise Fold-Reraise

*

I think this is more than enough to know&practice it!!:icon_albi

Ambushed · Sep 13, 2013

AK is a very strong hand, but you need to hit for it in order to stay strong. That's why people call it a drawing hand. I think AK plays hard postflop, but I usually go all-in with in when playing lowstakes MTT since they tend to call you often with worse.

jaworek1405 · Sep 13, 2013

jorzunik said:
These are my moves:

Open Raise
Raise Over Limpers
Reraise vs Raise
Push 1vs1
Fold Push vs. more than 2 players
Vs Raise Fold-Reraise

*

IMO you play correctly. Sometimes I can fold AK , for example when I'm in cash and in tournament is on the bubble, and I haven't too much chips. But I'm a player who above all always think about being in cash, later about winning tournament. Take care

Arjonius · Sep 13, 2013

Ambushed said:
AK is a very strong hand, but you need to hit for it in order to stay strong. That's why people call it a drawing hand. I think AK plays hard postflop, but I usually go all-in with in when playing lowstakes MTT since they tend to call you often with worse.

It's not simply a matter of absolute hand strength but also of perceived strength. For instance, a mid-pair is slightly ahead of AK, but when the flop misses both hands, which is not exactly unusual, the mid-pair will almost always be looking at overcards. So a decent proportion of the time when the pair is still ahead, that play will perceive he probably isn't and give up if the AK bets.

jorzunik · Sep 13, 2013

I'm glad that this issue will continue to cause controversy because it is very common to run into hand eta always .. not always the best move we know, but it is always a temptation reraised with her

tryin2winM · Sep 13, 2013

Gi with the gut, if you feel the need to call with the pair then go for it, or get it inb4 the flop and hope for the best flip

babarooni · Sep 13, 2013

What about folding AK? In what situation will you fold AK pre-flop and post flop?

DaMan1313 · Sep 14, 2013

Everything is so situational there is no correct answer, it greatly depends on the player, stack sizes, and timing.

dolchinkov · Sep 16, 2013

ak725 said:
AK is not so good as it looks.
the pot is A 8 K. your oponent raise big, will you call ?
remember, you have only 2 pair but he could have 8 8.
It is happened to me.

...and what you do?
Why not?Did you heard about the fullhouse,or AKs !?!

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