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So I was talking with a guy at work today and somehow we got started on poker, which was interesting since I've worked with him for 2 years and didn't know he played poker, let alone online. Anyways, he got started in this story about how one time he was sitting at a table with about $2000.

He said he was sitting at first position after the big blind holding AA. He made a strong raise and then it went half way around the table and another individual went all-in. So, when it came back around, according to what everyone had always told him, he decided to match it and ended up all-in himself - and he's up against KK.

The flop comes and the first card is a K and he says his heart drops. The other two is a 5 and 8. The turn comes and it's a J and he just drops his head because you see, he's not just all-in with what he has at the table, he's all-in with $2000 of every last penny he has in his bankroll at the site. But then he isn't even looking at the screen and is about ready to scream and he hears the chimes of a winning hand and apparently the river was an A.

Perhaps his story was complete BS, I don't know - but you hear a lot of people to never hesitate with AA pre-flop if you're forced all-in, but how far does that extend. I mean, at the end of the day AA is still just a pair and anything can happen. I just told him that I thought it was a wise move to go all-in, but probably not a smart move to have every last penny of his bankroll at the table so he at least had some back up in case things went wrong.

So I'm just curious, how far would you bet with AA pre-flop in the same situation? Your entire bankroll? Half your bankroll? A quarter bankroll? Your entire life on the line?
 
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i would put what ever i had at the table in but im with you im not gonna bring my entire BR to the table..
 
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yeah it is obviously pretty dumb to play with entire bankroll, unless the person can calmly be able to stand losing it in a single hand, and if it was my entire bankroll, i'd be more than happy getting it in pre with aces
 
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I'm guessing his story is BS, I've heard it probably a hundred times when people talk about that they play online. It might have happened with $20 on the table, but doubtful $2000.

Either way he would be a complete idiot to play with his entire roll on one table, but that just goes along with the rest of the story.

As odds go, I would never hesitate to get all of my chips in preflop in a cash game with AA. You have around an 85% chance of winning against a completely random hand, and even against KK you are 81% to win. Those are about as good of odds as you're going to get. Even if the villain flipped his cards up, I would call before they hit the table. If you have a hard time making these calls, then you are playing too high of a limit for your bankroll/experience level, drop down.
 
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I mean, no matter what the other guy has, any preflop bet is +EV from AA, and if you have a caller, all-in is the right move to make -- its the largest, and best possible value bet.

On the flipside without bankroll management, your +EV moves may not pay off, so although it was a good call, your friend ought to keep more of his stack off the table if he wants to stay ahead in the long run.
 
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In my opinion it is dumb to move all-in with all your bankroll. I think someone said that the money you have are more important than the money you do not have.
Even thow it is +EV move, the expected value is a term reffering at the expectation over a verry big sample not a hand.
And here is a simple reason for everyone to understand . If you win this you will not have a verry big burst up in limits. Probabely 1 limit to go or none and loose them because you are not ready to play there yet. But if you loose it will take mounths or more than a year to go from zero to that bankroll.
 
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Well I wouldn't be sitting at the table with anything I couldn't lose but with that said unless everyone at the table is all in yes I'll take that all day
 
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AA pre all in.

Of course, if you are playing with your entire BR, it must be to have exactly this happen. Why else would you gamble, if not to gamble?

And putting your entire roll on one hand cannot be classified as strategy, it is gambling.
 
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who knows if it was really 2 grand. thats a lot on 1 table but hey when i first started i was playing 500 on cash tables and only had 500 behind and thought nothing of it. if u arent serious bout it you arent going to care to manage your bankroll and play small stakes. i believe it and good for him. i bet the guy with kk did the same thing but at opposite times. i always hear of doubling 20 on bj tables and getting an ace and never believed that happened till i saw some drunk lady about 25 years old double her 20 and hit an ace and fall out of her chair. not because she got an ace but she was just out of her mind drunk. later i found out she wasnt trying to double...she tried to add to her bet after she saw she had a good hand and didnt know what anything meant so just said yes when dealer said u sure u want to double?
 
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I once won a small buyin tournament for about 700$ added that to my 100$ br and played cash with the entire br. Did good and won about 200 over an hr or so. Then comes the hand that doesn't have a happy ending. I end up flopping an Ahigh str8 and all the $ goes in on the flop and I lose on the river to a boat and went busto 1hand. Actually I think I had about 75 left and cashed it out and went to Tunica but...

Moral of the story is no hand is safe until the river even if you make the nuts on the flop, so don't bet your house on it, only what you can afford to lose.
 
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So ... what is the question exactly?
Is if how much of your net worth would you be willing to gamble on one hand, aipf with AA? Answer (my answer) > I'm not sure, lol. (or 'it depends').

How much of my poker bankroll would I be willing to wager aipf on one hand with AA. idk... probably close to all of it to be honest. Why not?
 
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ive never folded pocket aces preflop but one time i can remember. Am i a bad player?
 
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ive never folded pocket aces preflop but one time i can remember. Am i a bad player?

Yes......unless you're at the final table with 8allins in front of you where 2nd makes alot of $. Then tell the guy who wins what you folded and ask him to chop 1st
 
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Well you would never fold preflop.. unless 5 people or more went all in and im having to gamble my whole poker bankroll.
 
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Doesn't this question basically amount to how many BI should we have for a cash game? In which case the answer is about 50.
 
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Doesn't this question basically amount to how many BI should we have for a cash game? In which case the answer is about 50.
I'd be comfortable gambling 40 of those buyins on one hand aipf w AA (leaving myself enough so that I could still play the pokerz & think about what could've been had I not lost with the Aces). Surely you'd be willing to wager more than a buyin??? ... no?
 
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Is it only me or when your playing online poker and have AA, somebody else has another high double? Seen this to many times for it to be by just chance!
 
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I'd be comfortable gambling 40 of those buyins on one hand aipf w AA (leaving myself enough so that I could still play the pokerz & think about what could've been had I not lost with the Aces). Surely you'd be willing to wager more than a buyin??? ... no?

I'd be fine with it, but i wouldn't be fine betting my entire roll with AA pre. Presumably, if I'm betting more than a buyin I'm betting my initial buyin plus whatever profit I made at the table; but I'm not going to sit down at the table with my entire roll if that makes sense.
 
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Is it only me or when your playing online poker and have AA, somebody else has another high double? Seen this to many times for it to be by just chance!
That's probably because that's usually what it takes for someone to get AIPF with you. Don't get all-in pre very often with 84o.
 
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That's probably because that's usually what it takes for someone to get AIPF with you. Don't get all-in pre very often with 84o.

What does AIPF mean? All in play... ? Nope, i play slow with AA and wait until flop. I might raise, or i might check and let the other player raise me if I'm sure AA, is the best hand
 
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As long as it wasnt one of his friends dealing (bottom dealing etc which used to happen alot) then you have to call everything you have on the table
If you was an idiot and brought your entire bankroll to the table I'd still call :)

Only time to fold AA preflop is if you are sitting comfortably in a satellite game and only a couple of players are left to go out to qualify for a ticket. If its one of the short stacks then ok to call but if a medium or large stack then an easy fold!
 
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What does AIPF mean? All in play... ? Nope, i play slow with AA and wait until flop. I might raise, or i might check and let the other player raise me if I'm sure AA, is the best hand


All In Pre Flop
 
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. Don't get all-in pre very often with 84o.



You would not believe some of the hands I have seen recently. Believe it or not (and I guess you do.....:D) 84o is da absoluuuut nutz to some players.....
 
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As others have said, I wouldn't bring my entire roll to a table but I would definitely call everything at the table pre with Aces.

As far as a satty, I would also push with a healthy stack against a medium/big stack if they are going after my blind... ie: they have enough chips for a seat but they push for no reason except for my blind.
 
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What does AIPF mean? All in play... ? Nope, i play slow with AA and wait until flop. I might raise, or i might check and let the other player raise me if I'm sure AA, is the best hand

This is terrible.
 
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