AA from early position

butch247 · Apr 13, 2011

Is it safe to limp with pocket aces in early position or is it better to fire a 2.5-4 bb raise? Sometimes limping for me works anf sometimes raising works...I was just unsure on what the best play is with aces from early position

seanDCFC · Apr 13, 2011

Raise, limping is terrible if no one raises and lots call behind. (Which will happen a lot)

bgomez89 · Apr 13, 2011

Raising is fun

ericgarner118 · Apr 13, 2011

This has been gone over quite a few times, and just about everyone is going to tell you to raise it up. Is there a special occasion that limping in may be a good play? Sure there is. But those are so few and far between that it's not really even worth bringing up. The fact is raising a premium hand like that in early position will ALWAYS be a good play.

In general you will want to lean more towards and aggressive move then a passive one. Pretty much anytime you are on the fence about doing something and there is a weak option (limping, checking, etc) and there is a strong option (raise, re-raise, etc) and they are pretty close in your mind, pick the aggressive one. It will usually pay off more in the long run.

Wes747 · Apr 13, 2011

I think people bring this up, because sometimes when you 3x raise from early position with Aces everyone folds. The problem is that you need to realize that this doesn't happen everytime. You WILL NOT get paid off big with aces everytime you get them. In fact I would say about 50% of the time I get aces I end up just collecting the blinds.

PattyR · Apr 13, 2011

limping is a terrible idea.

always raise.

soccerrunner8098 · Apr 13, 2011

If you don't raise and have 4 or 5 limpers follow you into the pot you risk any of them potentially hitting trips, flush, draws etc. that would have you crushed. It's just not worth the risk to "slow play" aces and possibly be crushed after the flop. Raising every time, even if you don't get any callers, you still come up on the positive side of things winning the blinds.

buzzmania · Apr 13, 2011

i agree to raise,id rather win the blinds than lose on the flop.

Poker Orifice · Apr 13, 2011

Wes747 said:
I think people bring this up, because sometimes when you 3x raise from early position with Aces everyone folds.

If they're playing micros, this ^ is a very rare occurrence... much more likely is, HERO raises 4x(< adjusting for micros & early levles) in EP & gets 4 or 5 callers.. and some fish with J3s flops 2pr & it holds when HERO can't get away from their AA on a J-6-3 flop.

It depends on the table you're on. I can't recall the last time I ever limped w AA in EP in early levels but there's probably been times that I probably should've.
Also, limp-reraise in EP is pretty transparent.... unless of course you're doing that with other shyte besides just 'AA'.

pjr54 · Apr 13, 2011

I have learned the hard way never limp with aces this invites to many peeps into the pot. The only time I might try this is in late position with a very aggressive ater me that I can reraise.

Elie_Yammine · Apr 13, 2011

Always min-raise at least...u get reraised u reraise big...u get re-raised again u re-raise all in and crush the JJ+ guy.

takethepain · Apr 14, 2011

I'm going to go against the grain here and say that it is sometimes fine to limp, IF you are on an aggressive table and you can be reasonably sure that someone behind will raise it up. It really depends on your table makeup.

fletchdad · Apr 14, 2011

Yea, I dont think there can be any absolute in most situations. It will always be dependent on the dynamics, stakes, players, blind level (I am speaking strictly tourney play here) etc.

No matter what you do - other than fold - you always want to consider how the table is going to react. Sometimes a limp can be OK. But it will "depend". Many times it will be wrong. Limping just cause you are afraid of folds to your raise is a bad reason to limp. On that type of table, you really should raise. As stated above, on a table where you are fairly certain your limp will be punished by an aggressive player, that is a different story.

There are many things to consider, but a raise is never wrong if you dont have any info on the table.

bgomez89 · Apr 14, 2011

+1 to fletchdad. I think limping can be ok if there's maniac at the table who loves to raise but hates 3betting people. In that situation we can limp raise. That's about the only time id ever limp with aces though

BigJamo · Apr 16, 2011

I AGREE

fletchdad said:
Yea, I dont think there can be any absolute in most situations. It will always be dependent on the dynamics, stakes, players, blind level (I am speaking strictly tourney play here) etc.

No matter what you do - other than fold - you always want to consider how the table is going to react. Sometimes a limp can be OK. But it will "depend". Many times it will be wrong. Limping just cause you are afraid of folds to your raise is a bad reason to limp. On that type of table, you really should raise. As stated above, on a table where you are fairly certain your limp will be punished by an aggressive player, that is a different story.

There are many things to consider, but a raise is never wrong if you dont have any info on the table.

Misofer · Apr 18, 2011

EP with Aces is always a raise. Like several mentioned before you could get in trouble if the players decide to limp, therefore making your big pocket pair very vulnerable and sometimes that'll make you lose more money at the end.

There will be situations like the ones fletchdad mentioned, but in the game of poker you need to take everything into account

WiZZiM · Apr 18, 2011

Depends, there are lots of good reasons to open limp AA early. Like in a tournament where we have a very short stack, or perhaps it's early game, and the table is super raise happy/aggro.

Zorba · Apr 18, 2011

buzzmania said:
i agree to raise,id rather win the blinds than lose on the flop.

I agree, it is allways better to win the blinds than to get your AA cracked.

Elie_Yammine said:
Always min-raise at least...u get reraised u reraise big...u get re-raised again u re-raise all in and crush the JJ+ guy.

Well said Elie.

swingro · Apr 22, 2011

Ussually at tables ful with loose agressive donks you can limp. But this is an exception and tou will not learn anything from this because it happens only at the beginners lvl.
Advanced players will raise, limp to set mine if they have something but they will pay you off after the flop only when they hit the flop hard and they will check fold at the first sign of ressistance from you. You have to have a verry fishy image to make somebody belive you have garbage limping from UTG. Not to say that if 3-4 ppl limp after, you will curse your life when you'll see them dancing with you on a flop ful of draws.

bolda3 · Apr 25, 2011

It really depends on the aggression and players at your table and the stakes you are playing. If you are playing low stakes I generally tend to see more people limping behind you, whereas if you are playing higher stakes you may get raised more often. Generally I open raise in lower stakes, and VERY rarely limp then 3bet to a preflop raise in higher stakes. For a safe rule of thumb thought, open raise if you are unsure.

fkucdaw0rld · Apr 30, 2011

i think it mostly depends on the feel u have for the table...i've played at a lot of tables where theres one or 2 ppl who u can be sure will raise the pot if theres any limpers in it before them...if thats the case, i would limp in then reraise them wen they make their standard raise...if i think there will be a few limpers in the pot i'll make the standard raise from EP...more often than not tho i have to admit i would make the raise, just to play it safe..

Blazingfelts · Apr 30, 2011

I will actually limp in heads up to an overly aggressive player who raises every hand or even at a full ring cash table to really aggressive players. I know that may be wrong but it works sometimes in making some rather huge pots. But beware!

danprince10 · May 1, 2011

If its an aggressive table I might limp, nothing is set in stone, but generally raising is the best idea.

Steve922 · May 3, 2011

At very low stakes or freerolls, I see people limping all the time with AA. They usually get 2 or 3 callers and a raise. AA then goes all-in, usualy taking the raiser with them into a very advantageous race. It annoys the hell out of me when I'm caught like that!

In the early stages of a freeroll, no raise is likely to win the blinds outright, not even pushing - someone with connectors OR suited OR pictures OR any pair will call.

Steve

roberto_overloaded · May 30, 2011

yeah raise

I raise in early position 4xBB because I lost a few times when I raised only 2.5xBB, and I lost against 78 and 68 suited.

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