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I was in a $12 SNG on Bovada yesterday and ran into a little situation that I am looking for some clarification on. I am in the SB with Q 10 off and limp in (Blinds were 200/400 I don't remember if the antes had started yet, but anyway I called and saw the flop which was Q 8 10 Rainbow. I was thinking that if the BB who was the only other player in the game had a Jack he would be interested in seeing a few more cards so I was going to make him pay for it so

I made about a pot sized (800 leaving me with about 1900 afterwards) bet and after a few seconds the BB calls. the turn card is a 9 and now I know that if he has a Jack he is golden. No sooner than I had thought that did the BB shove his stack which had me more than covered. The best I had in my mind was a chance to pair the board with another ten or queen or the river is a Jack and we split the pot. That gave me 4 outs with two remaining Q & 10 and another 3 outs with the Jack. I was also short stacked and needed to make a move. I called with the river rewarding me with a 10 for a full house. Was this a terrible play? I got a lot of negative chatter from the BB about how terrible I played the hand, but considering that I was short stack and had a few outs I decided to go for it. Your thoughts ?
 
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I would have checked the flop to see what hits the turn, as if he did have a jack he would have checked to see the free card. Then when the 9 came i would have played it cautiously.
 
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well you put him on a jack and called anyway tryin to hit. Sounds like a bad play to me but its hard to fold 2 pair. i think you got lucky
 
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claydedo1974 said:
I was in a $12 SNG on Bovada yesterday and ran into a little situation that I am looking for some clarification on. I am in the SB with Q 10 off and limp in (Blinds were 200/400 I don't remember if the antes had started yet, but anyway I called and saw the flop which was Q 8 10 Rainbow. I was thinking that if the BB who was the only other player in the game had a Jack he would be interested in seeing a few more cards so I was going to make him pay for it so

I made about a pot sized (800 leaving me with about 1900 afterwards) bet and after a few seconds the BB calls. the turn card is a 9 and now I know that if he has a Jack he is golden. No sooner than I had thought that did the BB shove his stack which had me more than covered. The best I had in my mind was a chance to pair the board with another ten or queen or the river is a Jack and we split the pot. That gave me 4 outs with two remaining Q & 10 and another 3 outs with the Jack. I was also short stacked and needed to make a move. I called with the river rewarding me with a 10 for a full house. Was this a terrible play? I got a lot of negative chatter from the BB about how terrible I played the hand, but considering that I was short stack and had a few outs I decided to go for it. Your thoughts ?
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In this case it was blind v. blind and you held QToff, which is a pretty strong hand against the range of hands the blind could have, so a better play would've been to raise pre flop.
 
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Well, I would have shoved the flop there
 
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I agree, you should have shoved on the flop. Lucky for you that it worked out though.
 
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claydedo1974 said:
I was in a $12 SNG on Bovada yesterday and ran into a little situation that I am looking for some clarification on. I am in the SB with Q 10 off and limp in (Blinds were 200/400 I don't remember if the antes had started yet, but anyway I called and saw the flop which was Q 8 10 Rainbow. I was thinking that if the BB who was the only other player in the game had a Jack he would be interested in seeing a few more cards so I was going to make him pay for it so

I made about a pot sized (800 leaving me with about 1900 afterwards) bet and after a few seconds the BB calls. the turn card is a 9 and now I know that if he has a Jack he is golden. No sooner than I had thought that did the BB shove his stack which had me more than covered. The best I had in my mind was a chance to pair the board with another ten or queen or the river is a Jack and we split the pot. That gave me 4 outs with two remaining Q & 10 and another 3 outs with the Jack. I was also short stacked and needed to make a move. I called with the river rewarding me with a 10 for a full house. Was this a terrible play? I got a lot of negative chatter from the BB about how terrible I played the hand, but considering that I was short stack and had a few outs I decided to go for it. Your thoughts ?
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Had BB already made the straight on the flop? If not then he was the one who played the hand badly by fishing for a 9 with his inside straight draw.
 
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Did he have a Jack? I'm guessing he did, but you didn't say. It's odd to me that he called your pot-sized bet on the flop with just a gut shot - then shoves when he connects. If I'm him, I'm afraid I'd scare you off with the shove on the turn, so I'd slowplay my straight against a guy I've got covered.

Anyway - that wasn't what you asked. If you're 10 BBs or less, shoving with two pair and additional outs to a straight or boat isn't a terrible play.
 
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Arjonius said:
You had about 9bb pre. Shove.
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^ this. If I'm reading this right then everyone had folded preflop and it was just you and the BB in the hand? If that's the case then barring some read or tournament situation (eg: it's the bubble with a couple of micro stacks left in) that dictates otherwise I'd just be shoving this preflop. Most of the time BB will just fold and we've got semi-connected cards that will be live a decent amount of the time if we're called.

As played with the preflop limp, be happy to get all your money in on a flop like this with a stack this short.
 
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I could never shove in this spot!
 
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I would shove after flop with 2 pair most peaple would fold on a gut shot straight draw and if he does call most of the time you would win it.I definately would not shove preflop!!!!:stupid:
 
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