7card stud - some guidelines.

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Hello. So I've been playing Holdem for quite some time now and decided to switch a little bit and try 7 card Stud Hi/Lo. Does anyone here have any experience with this form of poker? Seems to me that it could be more profitable to a skilled player (more information about opponents' cards/dead cards). What advice would you give me (some basic guidelines/strategy etc)?
 
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Mhm, thanks for your interest, but those articles mainly just show the game rules not how to play it good. What I am really looking for is just some advice on general strategy like you would tell: "play tighter" to a Holdem beginner.

I guess Stud poker is not really popular there :)
 
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7card stud has three kinds - 7card stud hi, 7card stud hi/lo, 7card lo/razz.
This game is mainly on starting hands and reading the table.
 
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Todd Brunson's advice in Super System (good article) for stud hi-lo is to stick to 'platinum' starters and hands, those that can go both hi and lo and can scoop the whole pot. Playing hands that are good just hi or lo is generally (there are exceptions) a money waster.

I play stud and stud hilo a lot on Stars. Key is table selection -- look for chasers and noobs...

Don't chase unless you are getting good odds (rare).

In short, play tight looking to scoop.
 
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The most important thing to learn in the Stud games is reading the table. Easier said than done BTW.
 
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@Makwa

Ok I will definitely read that article. Any other good books on Stud? Any "starting hands" chart? :)

@dj11

That was generally my first impression of the game. The ability to see others' cards and use it to evaluate my possible hand strength against theirs and calculate my "outs" based on their holdings. But there are so many cards and you have so little time... Seems to me like a perfect job for a software to do. I dont know if there exists any though (and if it's allowed on PS) :)
 
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Ray Zee: 'High-Low Split Poker'; also covers O8.

Straight Stud (or Hi) is another game.

dj is right reading cards up is essential (see that scene in Rounders where Damon explains that). In stud you are constantly reassessing yr odds and equity as cards fall all around. I find that the fun part... :)

BTW there is no software for hi lo on the fly analysis that I know of, if there is, it is rudimentary at best. Sorry, you have to learn to read the cards as they fall (and remember what was folded) to be good at this game.
 
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In another thread, perhaps about HUD's, is mention of an open source (free) program which says it can do more than just HoldEm and Omaha. That post suggests it has been covered fairly well at 2+2.

Hope someone will remember me the name of that program....
 
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There are hundreds of conventional wisdom's in the studs. Keep in mind that most stud games are LIMIT games.

One is;

In a split game, even if you have the nut low, it is seldom wise to raise. Logic goes; If the board is ripe for a low hand, then it is likely that it will split, and on those occasions where there is a different hi hand, like a flush or a 67, you will lose money by raising. 'Seldom' might be a little strong, as it only happens about 50% of the time.

Also goes for O8.
 
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There are hundreds of conventional wisdom's in the studs. Keep in mind that most stud games are LIMIT games.

One is;

In a split game, even if you have the nut low, it is seldom wise to raise. Logic goes; If the board is ripe for a low hand, then it is likely that it will split, and on those occasions where there is a different hi hand, like a flush or a 67, you will lose money by raising. 'Seldom' might be a little strong, as it only happens about 50% of the time.

Also goes for O8.

Yes in O8 happens often. However, in Stud8, it vary rarely happens that there is a lo split, chances of 2 nut lows are way less than in O8.

As for on the fly programs, opensource or not, that can analyze Stud8 on the fly... somebody is dreaming... :)
 
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