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hey chuck how did you get the cards like that, flippin sweet style.

gonna watch this later, always enjoy your vids
 
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tried watching, but the video kept falling behind the audio. Might just be my piece of shit comp though.
 
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looking at it now and the timing looks fine...

ship that 10k and get build yourself a working compooter :)
 
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meh, I'll just rip it from the site and watch it that way then
 
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Great stuff Chuck. You 6-max guys get to have all the crazy 4bet bluff fun.

Not much criticism. since I don't play 6-max and I suck, other than I think you may be thinking 2 levels beyond some of your opponents.

Glad to see that your db issues have been resolved and really loving the streaming format on blip.tv.

I had no audio/video synch issues btw.
 
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bump, posted this late last night...
 
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Nice vid Chuck. Do you use the PT3 or HEM HUD?

If it's PT3, how do you get the table stats to display?
 
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It's HEM, custo, not sure how to do that in PT3. Haven't touched it since...well since I first tried it.
 
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HEM is really that much better than PT3? Is it good and easy to use to track tourneys aswell?
 
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I can't really give you an answer for either of those. I don't play tournies (though I hear they 'sort of' support them now and are fully supporting them soon), and I haven't used PT3 recently so I can't compare the two.

All I know is that it works perfectly, no bugs, and they keep improving it. I don't see a point using PT3 if it's any worse than that.
 
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Nice vid Chuck. Do you use the PT3 or HEM HUD?

If it's PT3, how do you get the table stats to display?

For table stats in PT3 go to Configure HUD, choose your cash profile, add a new group, call it Table Avgs or whatever, choose Table Averages: Show on Table in the group options, and then add whatever stats you want in that group.
 
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I can't really give you an answer for either of those. I don't play tournies (though I hear they 'sort of' support them now and are fully supporting them soon), and I haven't used PT3 recently so I can't compare the two.

All I know is that it works perfectly, no bugs, and they keep improving it. I don't see a point using PT3 if it's any worse than that.

Well put, makes sense

For table stats in PT3 go to Configure HUD, choose your cash profile, add a new group, call it Table Avgs or whatever, choose Table Averages: Show on Table in the group options, and then add whatever stats you want in that group.

TY WV, will go try it
 
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Question!

At 18:30ish in the 3bet pot against the fish and you got AQ. He bets $10 into $72 and you flat which I get to see the river ... the river you spike the Q and he bets $10 again so I'm putting him on absolute crap. You do the sane thing and raise ... but to $66 which i mean seems reasonable % of the pot ... but considering what we think he has does he ever call this? Would another bet size be appropriate at the river to extract max value (i.e. does a crap hand here call a min raise but not a raise to $35 or whatever)?
 
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Hey Chuck, cool vid, will help me with aspects of my game.

Wanted to rack your brain over a few things from the vid. At 7:00 you pick up JJ on the bottom right table. UTG raises and you 3-bet them but say you don't really like it. Is a call from the CO there fine? If we do call and an aggro player squeezes UTG out would we want to jam?

At around 17:00 you pick up AQo on the bottom right table. UTG raiser gets two callers and you are on the BTN. You squeeze which I think is because of position, dead money and UTG being quite LAG? I know you mentioned during the vid about backraising I think which is something I wasnt familiar with before the vid but can see why you would have to call a shove from a backraiser as it is unlikely they have premiums having called the previous raise. If UTG had shoved would you have called?

During the hand, we spike a Q on the river after being offered great odds on the turn. Was wondering if you had AK or AJ and the Q came or conversely if a K came on the river with our AQ and a small bet was fired out would you bluff raise it? Or would that be villain dependent? I seem to struggle with small bets and how to deal with them.

Reading over my questions they all seem to ask about situations that didnt come up in the vid, lol, but was thinking through different scenarios and couldnt say any plays where you didnt explain why you had done x, y and z.
 
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completely forgot my hud stats guys:

vpip/pfr/af/3bet/f to 3bet
f to cbet/cbet/wtsd/f BB to steal
limp-call/squeeze/4bet/f to 4bet/donk/f donk to raise

Question!

At 18:30ish in the 3bet pot against the fish and you got AQ. He bets $10 into $72 and you flat which I get to see the river ... the river you spike the Q and he bets $10 again so I'm putting him on absolute crap. You do the sane thing and raise ... but to $66 which i mean seems reasonable % of the pot ... but considering what we think he has does he ever call this? Would another bet size be appropriate at the river to extract max value (i.e. does a crap hand here call a min raise but not a raise to $35 or whatever)?

yeah we can probably drop it down some. The thing is he's probably still calling any pair (save maybe 4x or a weak 6) since our line looks like absolutely nothing. He just can't put us on a queen, and I doubt he's thinking on this level, but he can't put us on a 7 or 9 either, it just doesn't make sense.

Never underestimate the hands fish will call with vs sizeable bets. Even regs; just today a reg called me down 3 streets plus a huge overbet river when I had top two. He had ace high.

Hey Chuck, cool vid, will help me with aspects of my game.

Wanted to rack your brain over a few things from the vid. At 7:00 you pick up JJ on the bottom right table. UTG raises and you 3-bet them but say you don't really like it. Is a call from the CO there fine? If we do call and an aggro player squeezes UTG out would we want to jam?

Yeah the standard there is probably to flat call and backraise over a squeeze (assuming the squeezer's not a complete nit), but I don't think 3betting given just how bad he is since we can expect him to call with some worse pairs and AJ type hands.

Against an 18/15 nit on the other hand, a 3bet would be horrible since we're never getting called by worse and are giving up the chance to take the pot away from AK and other overcard hands.

At around 17:00 you pick up AQo on the bottom right table. UTG raiser gets two callers and you are on the BTN. You squeeze which I think is because of position, dead money and UTG being quite LAG? I know you mentioned during the vid about backraising I think which is something I wasnt familiar with before the vid but can see why you would have to call a shove from a backraiser as it is unlikely they have premiums having called the previous raise. If UTG had shoved would you have called?

I'm squeezing there because

-utg opens wide
-he so far had folded well to 3bets
-he hadn't 4bet yet
-the fish is in the pot, and I can get tons of value when everyone folds except for him
-there's a ton of dead money in the middle, and I can make this play with a lot worse than AQ
-it's also great for image, instead of playing weak-tight and just flatting behind (which isn't horrible, but a lot worse imo)

We also have position, but if someone calls the pot will be pretty big; the bigger the pot relative to stack sizes, the smaller the positional edge, so it's not a huge factor. Generally with squeezing, stack to pot ratios are so small that position doesn't matter much if at all.

If utg pushes, I probably have to fold, but that's because we dont' have too much history and because of reasons 2 and 3 above (I don't expect to be a favourite vs his 4betting range). There are definitely opponents I'm stacking AQ against in that spot though.

If the fish had backraised it'd be an easy fold because it would essentially have to be a monster.

Had the other reg behind the fish backraised I'd probably have to get it in off the top of my head. He'll backraise lots of medium pairs, some worse aces, some random shit like JTs because he knows I can squeeze wide here, and of course the very unlikely monsters. His 4bet is around 2 which is significant, and again there's probably enough dead money in the middle (esp after my squeeze) to warrant stacking him.

During the hand, we spike a Q on the river after being offered great odds on the turn. Was wondering if you had AK or AJ and the Q came or conversely if a K came on the river with our AQ and a small bet was fired out would you bluff raise it? Or would that be villain dependent? I seem to struggle with small bets and how to deal with them.

Weak bets and donk bets are pretty hard to decipher since they basically change completely from player to player. Especially fish, they do the weirdest shit.

I'd consider raising the river as a bluff, but I'd probably have raised more.

Reading over my questions they all seem to ask about situations that didnt come up in the vid, lol, but was thinking through different scenarios and couldnt say any plays where you didnt explain why you had done x, y and z.

great questions melkor, this is exactly how you should be questioning scenarios like those. Thanks for watching!

I'm out for the night but if you guys have any more questions go ahead and ask, I can answer you later tonight or tomorrow.
 
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are those all notes you place on people? how do you keep it all str8?
 
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Do you mean my stats?

If you mean my notes, what do you mean by straight?
 
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Cheers for those replies Chuck. Oddly enough, made $30 at 10NL 6-max today having lost the first two days I tried it. Who needs coaching sites. :D
 
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lol, confidence alone can do wonders for your game :)
 
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Cool vid, I also like the streaming format. Will watch second half later tonight.
 
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Do you mean my stats?

If you mean my notes, what do you mean by straight?

those are stats? I have a apple and don't see the option to do this when I'm playing on pokerstars.

What I meant by str8 was running for game looking at notes/stats would blow my mind up....
 
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Ah, those are stats from a standalone program; they're not connected with stars in any way. Search 'poker tracker mac' here in the forums or through google.
 
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