3 betting

Is it better to 3bet in or out position? I have been 3 betting out of position with Ak+ and flatting in position to call down c-bets etc when i hit the flop good and get opponent to throw money at me.
I have read that it is bad to 3 bet out of position, is what i am doing generally correct?

3betting OOP is not bad, it is a good defense against blind stealing

You should 3bet your premiums regardless of position. You really need a wider range than QQ+ and AK though otherwise you wont get paid when you have premiums.

Try including some bluff hands - A2s-A5s are good because they play well postflop (I sometimes use SCs for the same reason), from the blinds vs probable BTN steals. Remember to only 3bet bluff villains who will fold to 3bets, and that you are folding if villain 4bets! You can also include more value hands from the BTN (AQs, AJs, KQs etc) vs CO/MP opens.

What about flatting in position? obviousley im 3betting QQ+ in position but what about JJ and AQs+ etc

Depends who you are up against really - against loose openers who don't fold to 3bets often you can 3bet JJ and AQs IP for value. Against tighter openers who fold to 3bets a lot you can flat JJ and AQs and see what the flop brings.

Don't have a pre determind 3bet range. Your 3bet range should depedend on your table. Lots of raising pre means u can 3 bet soft. I'll 3bet with very wide range of hands if correct opportunity is presented. So many players raise with middle suited connects or Ax, these type hands shut down to a 3 bet.m

I see thanks mate, 6max is a whole new game to me. I think my preflop range is good im experimenting with the LAG strategy, and have been trying to avoid being out of position like the plaque unless im strong enough to 3bet or flat low pocket pairs. Im just wondering if im losing value avoiding being out of position so much?

Your preflop game sounds so out of whack.

c9h13no3 said:

Your preflop game sounds so out of whack.

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What do you mean? How exactly?

archangelzx said:

I think my preflop range is good im experimenting with the LAG strategy

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This sounds bad if your not sure on your preflop game!

TylerN said:

This sounds bad if your not sure on your preflop game!

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Well I have been widening it heaps and moved to 6max, my loose range is working but i know I am making some mistakes, so trying to correct them.

What are your current VPIP/PFR and 3bet % stats?

archangelzx said:

What do you mean? How exactly?

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You're placing too much importance on position, and kinda doing things for the wrong reasons. Plus the LAG thing.

Lemme get a point or two in, then I'll answer the question in your opening post.

A wise man once asked me if I'd rather have position or the nuts. Obviously, you'd rather have the nuts! Additionally, as a poker player, your win rate is generally determined by the top 5-10% of hands. Aces make up a huge chunk of your total winnings. What you're hoping to do with the rest of the hands is to eek out a tiny profit, 0.01 bb/100 or something like that. All the top earning poker players online play tight preflop (except Tom Dwan). There's a reason for that.

I used to have this problem in a big way. I played VERY laggy (around 35/30), with a huge importance on position at 100NL. My most profitable position was UTG, because I was cutting out all the junk I played laggy with and just raising my top earning hands. Learn where your profit comes from before you go on a mission to expand your VPIP to super high levels.

But to answer your opening post, you will get more folds when you 3-bet in position, and you will get more calls when you 3-bet OOP. Your total 3-bet percentage (the number of hands you 3-bet) should typically be higher on the button. But the fraction of hands you 3-bet vs. call with should be highest in the blinds.

Sorry my response was so short last night, I was browsing the forums on my phone.

c9h13no3 said:

Your preflop game sounds so out of whack.

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Stop being so preflop obsessed. Preflop play is only a very small part of the game and playing well postflop is what this player should be focusing on if he wants to play a LAG style. Assuming OP has not got the preflop fundamentals of the game in check i would not recommend playing LAG till you get more experienced at the game in general. If i was OP i would stick to trying to adhere to playing TAG at 6 max cash as it is easier for beginners to learn. However, both styles are just as good if applied correctly.

Its not a style. One is playing a bunch of losing hands for shits and giggles, the other is sound poker strategy.

Think about it this way: The number one way I know you're a fish at the table is if you play too many hands. You want to call it "laggy style", but really you're just being fishier.

You are obviously naive if you dont know the difference between a good Loose aggressive player and a Lagtard. A good loose aggressive player can be just as profitable if not more profitable than a good TAG. Good players like myself know how to play both and switch gears when needed in MTTs which is dependent on table dynamic your image. A good LAG will bet and raise you off your hand when your weak, and give you credit when you have some sort of made hand and quietly back away.

Lol.