$200 NLHE Full Ring: Couple of hands. Any huge errors?

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LIVE CASH game.
$1/$2 NL
V1 is tight. Small stack.
V2 is tight and is TAG. Big stack.
Hero is medium stack.
Limited information available.
"X" means I do not remember the card. It is gone forever.

HAND 1
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Hero gets KK in LP
PF raise to $10
2 callers. Pot $30
Flop = AXX (God damn it)
Checks to Hero
Hero bets $15
V2 3 bets to $45
Hero folds
Was this a terrible decision?

HAND 2
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Hero gets 77 in SB
Hero does PF raise to $15
3 callers. Pot $60
Flop = 33X (God damn it)
Hero bets $30. 1 caller
Board = 33X8
Hero bets $60 (all in)
V1 folds
Did I play this ok?


HAND 3
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Hero gets 55 in LP
Hero does PF raise to $10
5 callers. Pot $60
Flop = 99X
Checks to Hero, Hero bets $25. 1 caller
Board = 99XX
Checks around
Hero bets $60 (all in)
River V1 bets $25. Hero calls.
V1 shows a 9.
Where did I go wrong?
 
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you should be posting the hands seperately and include your street by street logic for why you felt things were correct to do or not. Also it is not good that you can't even remember the boards
 
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Apart from Hand 1 i don't like your play in the rest couple of hands.

Hand 2 :- Why raise a pair mid pair from small blind ?? You'll be out of position against multiple opponents post flop and often you'll not know where you stand in terms of hand strength. Also you might miss the opportunity of seeing a flop if one of the limpers 3bets you pre flop. Then seeing the flop will be even more expensive for you or you'll have to fold. So just limping in with such pairs is better from the small blind according to me. You won the hand but i don't like the way you played it.;)

Hand 3 :- You played very loose in this hand. There was no need to raise pre flop. Also if you are up against 5 opponents then you should rather give up if you miss(hitting a set), rather than trying a steal with a continuation bet(another loose play). And then going all in was again not necessary, you should try and reach a cheap showdown rather than putting more money in the pot as villain will have a 9 there more often. All in all pretty loose play.:eek:
 
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I'm almost wondering if you regularly play tournaments and this is your dabbling in a cash game, cash games are way tighter and playing as fast and loose as you are in hands 2-3 is exposing yourself to tons of risk, not just a 9 but any decent overpair might call you here. Also the x's are significant when playing these hands. More analysis less raising...
 
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Suby, I always like your analysis. Thank you.

Hand 2: I should have just limped? I figured I would drive people out, get 1 caller, and donk bet him even if I missed the flop (b/c odds are, he misses the flop also, unless he's got a pair, but he didn't raise, so it would be low pair) Figured I would have some fold equity with a donk bet.

No one at this table 3bets pre flop. Either we all limp, or someone raises and everyone calls. 3-bet on AA only, if that.

Hand 3: I thought I played standard late position. It was checked to me, and I had a pair, so I raised. On the flop, it was checked around to me, so I did a C-bet. Isn't this textbook play, regardless of cards? Ok, so here, you don't like a C_bet with 6 players. Risk of someone 3-betting, etc. Ok, makes sense. I had to go all in on Turn b/c Pot was already $160. And my All-in was only another $60. Was just a basic 2 barrel, since no one bet yet.

You do not like PF raises with low PP's. That is usually how I play, but I thought I should have a closer VPIP/PFR ratio.
 
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Hand1 is standard you are entitled to bet the ace as the preflop raiser. The reg probably picked up on your disappointment at seeing the ace.
With small pairs you want lots of people seeing the flop so that if you hit your set there is a much better chance someone else catches part of it ideally 2p or tptk and will pay you off.
I don't think 77 is suitable to raise from the sb after 2 limps unless you make it a significant raise. You want to be doing this to balance your big raises when you get a premium pair which you of course want to play against fewer players.
Id be celebrating a flop like 33x here with a pair of 77 its next best after hitting a set.

With the 55 there must again already have been limpers in front of you. If no one is squeezing from the blinds id just try to see the flop as cheap as possible. If you raise with 55 it can't stand a raise from someone behind you or if one of the limpers comes back over the top. If your hand can't stand a raise just limp along with 55.
Raise big in these games when in position and punish the limping.
 
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Hand 1.

Your often way ahead or way behind with your KK... If you check behind you can really start getting value from those weaker pocket pair type hands or 2nd pair hands. We want to keep those weaker hands in the game.

Hand 2.
Not the best shove, your only getting called by better but you are defending your hand at the sametime so it's not a total loss.

Hand 3.
Lets face it.. Your bluffing and got your hand caught in the cookie jar :) a lot of peeps with A will be calling... so not a good spot for a bluff.



First 2 hands really show your losing value because you'll only get called by better and scare all the weaker ranges of our villains. We want to extract more value... definetly a bit more money to be made.

Win a small pot... Lose a big pot seems to be your style. Better fix it!
 
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What do you mean by Check Behind on the KK? Can you tell me what I could have done on each street instead?
 
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By "only getting called by better" does this mean I was betting too much?
 
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How about these?

LIVE CASH game.
$1/$2 NL
V1 is tight. Small stack. (50BB)
V2 is tight and is TAG. Big stack.
Hero is medium stack. (70BB)
Limited information available.
"X" means I do not remember the card. It is gone forever.

1) Hero gets TT.
V1 bets $8 preflop
V2 raises to $21
What would you do? (I folded)

2) Hero gets A8, on the button
Limps all the way to Hero.
Would you limp, raise, or fold? (I folded)

3) Hero gets QJ, early postition
There is a $10 Mississippi. I folded.

4) Hero gets K3, in BB
Hero limps
Flop = KXX
Would you donk bet? I checked.
V1 bets, 2 callers, so Hero folded.

5) Hero gets 78, on the button
Hero limps
Flop = KQ6
V1 bets $10
Hero folds

6) Hero gets AK, BB
Hero bets $11. 3 callers
Flop = 56T. Hero checks.
V1 bets $16. Hero folds.
 
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1. How deep are the effective stack sizes???? if we are both sitting 300+ we can flat call and set mine. If you got a decent read on your opponent you maybe able to pick up whether he has pocket pair or just AK or AQ...

2. We can raise up big and represent a big hand. Remember we have an A which means 50% less chance someone else is holding another A. Often we can aim to raise it x 3BB + 1BB per limper. Then 2/3 or 3/4 bet most pots and aim to steal it there.

Or play conservative and limp and aim to hit an Ace or 2 pair. We can aim to keep the pot low if we hit the ace. But play a bit more aggressive 2 pairing and hope someone hits with a better Ace.

3. QJ it's best to just get out in EP unless your known to only have premiums. But yeh most cases FOLD

4. You played it safe well done. Often a lot of people will raise 2.5BB in LP hope they get someone with your holdings to come along and take some moneys.

I think its best to just give up OOP against multiple guys and not do anything fancy unless we hit 2 pair or trip K's

5. Stop limping please. And you can then bet on boards with KQ6 and get folds. But because you limp no ones ever going to believe you.

6. Wow Cbet man. You have a pretty dry board and if you don't someone else will take the pot down.
 
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Hand 1 the number of players and position matters for this hand. If its FR and the raise and reraise are from earlier position its a fold, if its 5-6 handed CO raise, button 3bet and you're in sb things could be much different. Usually id be folding.

H2... A8 on the button will usually be the strongest hand, raise x3. too weak to fold.

H3 QJ in EP is a fold ( this must be a yank live play thing...what is a $10 Mississippi?...never heard of it in 5 years of online play.)

H4. I'm calling one street with top pair, especially if I have any backdoor draws the xx are actually quite important here as is the position of the players, if it was limped round you are hardly facing AK. Checking is correct, the pot is significant why not fight for it. If the xx was coordinated and suited something like 9h8h multiple draws could out there they could have anything.

5. Raise or fold, limping from the button is a really weak play.

6. How many people in front of you have raised or limped? Its a massive factor in your preflop decision making. You have shown strength by raising you MUST continue with a cbet..you just rolled over and gave up, not good.
The last two hands make me wonder if you aren't out of your depth.
 
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The last two hands make me wonder if you aren't out of your depth.

That is why I am posting here.
I have no idea how to play, and am trying to learn.

Hand 5, I limped to see the flop. Raising doesn't seem right with such crappy cards.
Saw the flop, and I missed. So I checked. Very good chance someone else had the K or Q, and bet, so I folded. Probably a good fold.
This is all very natural for a beginner.

Hand 6, I bet PF since I had a strong hand. Missed the flop. And totally out of position.
I am thinking it is better to fold AK when so badly out of position, b/c this is what will happen most of the time (miss flop)
I had 3 callers with my $11 PR bet. That means very good chance someone else has A or K.
If I C-bet, I would be throwing money away on a bluff b/c I would 100% get called by one of the 3 callers.
 
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I actually read the "Polished Poker" book, and ordered the workbook.
I found the workbook not very user friendly for a novice, so I shelved it.
I have subbed to the thread, however.
 
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