are 18 people sit and go's considered MTT's?

right now i play $2 turbo stt with a bankroll of $60 and feel comfortable. i do usually 4-5 tables at once and am making good avg ROI (around 25%).

but im wondering if i could do like 6 18 man SNG's at a time? that is too much for my bankroll, right?

I think MTT is any multi table tourney, so as long as the sitgo is multi tourney it prolly is , i might be wrong thou

It is technically a Multi Table Tournament.

However, most people will refer to those as an "18 player S&G's" and refer to tournaments with a large field as MTT's.

Personally, I'll call usually anything more than 10 tables an MTT, and refer to smaller games by their # of players.

so when people say you should have like 25-50 buy ins for a sit and go, can you buy in with like 180 people? or do you need more buy ins for that many more people?

The more tables and players the greater the variance. By definition I also consider 18man sng's MTTs. I would have slightly higher buyin requirements for a 18person game and keep increasing BR requirements as the fields get larger.
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As their is more than 1 table they must be considered Multi Table Tourneys.

bigboi26 said:

so when people say you should have like 25-50 buy ins for a sit and go, can you buy in with like 180 people? or do you need more buy ins for that many more people?

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The no of buy ins refers to the cost of entry not the amount of ppl in the tourney. e.g. if you are going to play $2.20 SnG's you would need (according to your figures of 25-50 buy ins) $55.00 - $110.00 in your bankroll.

SavagePenguin said:

Personally, I'll call usually anything more than 10 tables an MTT, and refer to smaller games by their # of players.

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I concur.

I know of no solid rule on the matter, but conventionally most players when they speak of an MTT mean something containing 90+ players. If my memory is correct, that is also the definition we use at CC, where relevant, for things like the record of big wins.

bigboi26 said:

so when people say you should have like 25-50 buy ins for a sit and go, can you buy in with like 180 people? or do you need more buy ins for that many more people?

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These BR rules are really guidelines. For example, if you are a good player and play micro S&G's, you can buy in for a greater percentage of your bankroll because the poor play there decreases variance.

So the answer to your question isn't going to be a chart. The more people in a game, the bigger the 1st place prize (what you are aiming for), but with more people comes a decreased liklihood of you winning (higher variance). In 3,600 player MTT's you are going to have a *lot* of cashless losses and a lot of minor wins that don't help your BR out much. So you'll have to go through a ton of games before you can expect to do well. You just keep throwing your small buy-in into the money pit until you finally get that nig score that pays for it all.

Compare that to a 36 player S&G, where you might get a big win every 20 games or so, along with several smaller cashes. You don't have to play much before you can expect a return on your investment. Certainly not the hundreds and hundreds of games you'd need in the MTT.

bigboi26 said:

so when people say you should have like 25-50 buy ins for a sit and go, can you buy in with like 180 people? or do you need more buy ins for that many more people?

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Good question. And I don't remember this particular twist being discussed.

A few cosiderations;

-The pay structure in limited MTT's is fixed, so I'm thinking that you want to pay attention to the percentage of players who cash. In large field MTT's (unknown # of tables to start, the pay structure is seldom fixed until registration/rebuys/add-ons are finished and the total pool is established. However, there is generally some indication about which payout structure is used under a 'Tourney Info' tab or page.

-With fewer buy-ins, you might want to seek games with the highest payout percentages in regards to number of players cashing vs number of players entered. bodog has a 50% game for instance where the payouts are smaller, but spread wider.

-Other good examples are the structures used in satellites. For instance to get a $26 token at Full Tilt you can go about it a few different ways;

HU at $13.75
18 players at $8.80 with 5 players getting a ticket- left overs to bubble
18 players at $6.60 with 4 players getting a ticket- left overs to bubble
9 players at $4.40 with 1 ticket and a 2nd place of $10

And a few variations of FTP satellites.

Some games are structured better, and can vary traditional BR management theories for each person.

I think FTP calls anything up to 180 a Sit and Go tournament and anything above a MTT (not fully sure).

For me the distinction between SNG & MTT is that SNGs start when all the seats are filled, MTTs start when the appointed time has arrived.

In playing style there isn't much difference between a 90person SNG and an MTT that only has 112 players.