10nl suited one gapper

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No real reads, my question is:

Should I be calling preflop raises with suited one gappers like these?


full tilt poker $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players - View hand 916075
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

UTG+1: $22.48
UTG+2: $20.22
MP1: $18.59
MP2: $12.98
Hero (CO): $17.43
BTN: $17.02
SB: $20.05
BB: $17.90
UTG: $37.28

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is CO with 8 6
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $0.30, UTG+2 calls $0.30, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.30, Hero calls $0.30, 3 folds

Flop: ($1.35) 4 Q 2 (4 players)
UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, MP2 bets $0.90, Hero calls $0.90, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds

Turn: ($3.15) 3 (2 players)
MP2 bets $1.40, Hero calls $1.40

River: ($5.95) K (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets $2.50, MP2 folds
 
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If it was me, and I don't think the 3 guys behind me will raise, then I will just fold or call. If it's just one guy who raises preflop a lot in the pot in front of me, I wouldn't mind 3 betting. But with 2 guys already in, I'd rather see the flop as cheaply as I can and hope to hit a big one.

I would have raised the turn though. You don't want that 4th heart hitting the board for free.
 
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no problem in your play. speculative hand + position + multiway pot = +$EV
like blueskies said a reraise on the turn was in order, for proper odds denial.
On turn i'd of been dreaming for 5h on river, and wishing my opp had Ah- but they cant always be that good.
 
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U have flopped flush-draw, which will becoming flush in 50% of spots. And u have to call 0,9/(1,35+0,9)=0,4 => pot-odds give you 1 to 2,5. That's good for profitable call, 'coz for EV=0 u need to have 1 to 2, so 0,5 of odds it's you real profit.
 
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U have flopped flush-draw, which will becoming flush in 50% of spots. And u have to call 0,9/(1,35+0,9)=0,4 => pot-odds give you 1 to 2,5. That's good for profitable call, 'coz for EV=0 u need to have 1 to 2, so 0,5 of odds it's you real profit.

I'm confused with "which will becoming flush in 50% of spots". To river, this will come in @ 36% and the turn about 18%. Also, you're looking at the EV of the flop call while giving yourself two cards of equity. Not that I'm advocating a fold, I'm just saying if you're looking at immediate pot odds, and there is likely to be betting on the turn, things are different than what you've outlined here. You also have to consider the two players behind you. They may c/r or w/e.

I think a raise is going to be a very strong play here on the flop. We have no reads on anyone, but what we're seeing here is a LP player make a bet on the flop after the PF aggressor didn't c-bet. That could be a lot of different hands that may not be able to stand up against a raise.

As others have said, raise the turn. Not so much about not letting a river heart come up (that's a pretty small consideration), but more importantly to chunk up your stack more efficiently. You want to get all-in with your hand. By calling, you leave about $10.50 left on the river and less than a $6 pot. Click it back or something on the turn will give you like a $9 pot on the river with more like $7 left in the stacks. This is a much easier way to get it in.
 
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For me I dont like a call here because there are so few hads that I will be happy with when the flop comes down. If I flop a flush will I be happy that my flush is 8 high? Flopping or even making a straight here is not desirable as there will agian be much higher hands that will have me dominated.

Now I would consider KJs from this spot and maybe even QT but not 86. especially with no reads.

I would also consider a re raise if I was gonna try to bluff at it rather than a call. But you are still CO here and not the button.
 
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For me I dont like a call here because there are so few hads that I will be happy with when the flop comes down. If I flop a flush will I be happy that my flush is 8 high? Flopping or even making a straight here is not desirable as there will agian be much higher hands that will have me dominated.

Now I would consider KJs from this spot and maybe even QT but not 86. especially with no reads.

I would also consider a re raise if I was gonna try to bluff at it rather than a call. But you are still CO here and not the button.

I tend to agree with you. I will say tho, that against unknowns at 10nl, may be a fine environment to play the hand. Implied odds are generally going to be higher and preflop aggression (fearing further light action from btn or blinds) is probably rare.
 
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I tend to agree with you. I will say tho, that against unknowns at 10nl, may be a fine environment to play the hand. Implied odds are generally going to be higher and preflop aggression (fearing further light action from btn or blinds) is probably rare.

I will certainly keep that in mind!
 
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