whats your range here?

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Hey all - whats your range here by the river?

5,000/10,000 blinds, 1,100 ante No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 7 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: 387,064 (38.7 bb)
BB: 442,341 (44.2 bb)
MP1: 169,444 (16.9 bb)
MP2: 324,536 (32.5 bb)
MP3: 244,475 (24.4 bb)
CO: 599,883 (60 bb)
Hero (BTN): 316,368 (31.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with (?)
2 folds, MP3 raises to 20,000, CO folds, Hero calls 20,000, 2 folds

Flop: (62,700) 8h Jc 4s (2 players)
MP3 bets 24,600, Hero calls 24,600

Turn: (111,900) 3c (2 players)
MP3 checks, Hero checks

River: (111,900) Js (2 players)
MP3 checks, Hero bets 27,975, MP3 raises to 111,900, Hero calls 83,925

Results: 335,700 pot
Final Board: 8h Jc 4s 3c Js
 
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Hey all - whats your range here by the river?

5,000/10,000 blinds, 1,100 ante No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 7 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: 387,064 (38.7 bb)
BB: 442,341 (44.2 bb)
MP1: 169,444 (16.9 bb)
MP2: 324,536 (32.5 bb)
MP3: 244,475 (24.4 bb)
CO: 599,883 (60 bb)
Hero (BTN): 316,368 (31.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with (?)
2 folds, MP3 raises to 20,000, CO folds, Hero calls 20,000, 2 folds

Flop: (62,700) 8h Jc 4s (2 players)
MP3 bets 24,600, Hero calls 24,600

Turn: (111,900) 3c (2 players)
MP3 checks, Hero checks

River: (111,900) Js (2 players)
MP3 checks, Hero bets 27,975, MP3 raises to 111,900, Hero calls 83,925

Results: 335,700 pot
Final Board: 8h Jc 4s 3c Js
Im betting those trips of jacks got crushed by a house. please do tell
 
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The river action can be pretty narrow here. If hero is going to call a 3bet the bottom of his range would be A8s and he is just hero calling a raised river bet - I dont think this is what he could have specifically but I think its important to include it here.

I think the bottom of his range here is more likely to be 99 or TT, easy call on the flop - check back turn and bet the river - also strong enough to call a 3bet. It's also pretty easy for them to show up here with QJs, KJs and maybe even J10s depending how deep they were preflop. I'm not sure AJ ever checks back the turn with top-top and a brick on the turn - but that said of course any Jack's he could have here bets the river and calls the reraise on the river. I think at the very top of his range he has a flopped set for 88 or 44 and decides to slow play it - I never check turn with such a strong hand but not everyone plays the same so I would put this at the very top of his range. Pretty tough for me to think he has a full house on the river and only calls the reraise on the river...if I make a boat on the river with 88 or 44 and get raised - I am trying to get full value from a strong Jack and looking to get it all in - but, again, some people do not play as aggresive and just call off here with the boat.

Anyhow, in short and on the river I think we can narrow his range, rule out AA, KK and QQ as they should have all 3bet preflop and not flatted - it's highly unlikely he has JJ here and I think AJ would have 3bet preflop as well. To me, at this point his range looks like this:

A8s, 99, TT, Jx suited, 88 or 44. Those are the most likely hands I expect them to show up with.

Would like to know what they called the river with whenever you get the info you are looking for.
 
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I think he will not bluff on such a board here.

In its range of MP3, Pockets 88, 44, 33 should be in it. Then AJ, KJ, QJ, 10J and maybe Q8s.

I would only call Pockets 1010, 99 in his place on the river.
 
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At the beginning you should tell us who won. If I were you I wouldn't call with sth worse like three of jacks, on the board we don't have a flush or straights so if you lost you had to had three of jacks and he had full f.e. eights/fours for jacks because from High Jack I think he is raising any pairs and even J8s. You should know it is very rare situation to make blef-check-raise on the river, It is sign of strenght, of course is possible that you know about it and opponent is blefing.
 
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Hello! It is difficult to answer without information about the opponent. If this is a regular opponent, he may have a jack, any pocket pair. If he plays in a loose style, he can bluff raise with an ace after he sees a paired board.
 
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Both players losing value plying like this any hand (If readless)
 
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Confusing question & Great Breakdown

Would like to know what they called the river with whenever you get the info you are looking for.

Great breakdown Jon! :top:

I'm confused about the question - is OP asking what our/hero's range is here or what villain/opponents range is here.

Either way - I'm making the call with a set and Q/K/A kicker or better. Although a check re-raise on the river USUALLY signals strength/nuts.
I can get away from the hand only holding 2 pair, regardless if it is top two or lower.
 
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Hey all - whats your range here by the river?

5,000/10,000 blinds, 1,100 ante No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 7 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: 387,064 (38.7 bb)
BB: 442,341 (44.2 bb)
MP1: 169,444 (16.9 bb)
MP2: 324,536 (32.5 bb)
MP3: 244,475 (24.4 bb)
CO: 599,883 (60 bb)
Hero (BTN): 316,368 (31.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with (?)
2 folds, MP3 raises to 20,000, CO folds, Hero calls 20,000, 2 folds

Flop: (62,700) 8h Jc 4s (2 players)
MP3 bets 24,600, Hero calls 24,600

Turn: (111,900) 3c (2 players)
MP3 checks, Hero checks

River: (111,900) Js (2 players)
MP3 checks, Hero bets 27,975, MP3 raises to 111,900, Hero calls 83,925

Results: 335,700 pot
Final Board: 8h Jc 4s 3c Js


I am very curious as to what you had, feels like a mid jack, j8 suited through j10, not sure though feels that way in my opinion.Very slim chance you had QQ or KK but still possible.
 
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Great breakdown Jon! :top:

I'm confused about the question - is OP asking what our/hero's range is here or what villain/opponents range is here.

Either way - I'm making the call with a set and Q/K/A kicker or better. Although a check re-raise on the river USUALLY signals strength/nuts.
I can get away from the hand only holding 2 pair, regardless if it is top two or lower.


Thanks. I was talking about our heros range. I think if we had AA, KK or QQ that we wouldve 3bet preflop so I rule those hands out. To call such a large river raise hero has to be pretty strong- the top of his range being Jx with a strong kicker as you said, or 44 or 88. For me that's it, pocket 10s are only hero calling here and are essentially a bluff catcher for our hero. Villan could easily have a weak jack to check the turn and bomb the river with or could be turning 8x or 99 into a bluff but any good player will just take their showdown value and call the river rather than raise it up and run into a Jack. Because think about it...say as the villan we do have 10-10, turn goes check-check - river comes another jack, less of a chance the hero has one - so he decides to raise 10s for value and effectively turn them into a bluff - well when we raise our 10s on the river what are the only hands good enuff to call us? Most of them have a strong Jack or 88...so we only get called by a better hand. If I have 10s in the villains spot and the turn checks through I lead the river - if I get raised I can fold, if he calls, I probably have the hero beat. No reason to go crazy and overvalue a hand with good showdown value
 
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the range is somewhat wide until a bet/call on the river which pretty much narrows you down to Jx and 8s full and 4s full.

also....in general if you have any of those hands I don't really like giving a free card on the turn. (free card makes sense for T9s or 98s)

the only hands it would make sense to give a free card on turn would be weak jacks. but then weak jacks shouldn't bet/call river.

in fact, I cannot think of a single hand that is both: invulnerable enough to give a free card on the turn and yet somehow ALSO strong enough to bet/call river.
 
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