QQ against a backraise

Today I played in my first Sunday Millions Tournament.
I was impressed by the tournament overall but disappointed in my outcome.

UTG min raised, early position flat calls. I'm holding QQ.
I 3 bet, original raiser folds, the flat caller in early position shoves. I'm sitting on around 35-40BB to his 80+. I don't use a HUD so I have no information. My read tells me he's holding a weaker pair or potentially AQ. I cannot find a fold, not after he flat called the first raise. Turns out he is holding AK.

My question is what's everyone's deal with treating AK as if it's gods gift?
I rarely ever see any post flop play because everyone is too busy jamming it pre flop to a 3/4 bet.

My other question is what would you have done in my position?

Its possible he thought you were just playing position and attempting to steal the pot so he thought he might be able to bully you out of it... and if he is wrong and you actually do have a good hand, he still likely has a coinflip holding AK.

I personally wouldn't have 3 bet in this scenario PF, I would have flat called until the flop and if no overs hit I shove/reraise whoever bets, he can't call you with AK in that scenario... Too many times I've been in the scenario you describe where I have QQ/JJ and I'm facing KK/AA... Easier to push on a missed flop where if you are behind and your opponent holds AA/KK but didn't trip... they are more likely to fold... Nobody will fold AA/KK PF... But if they miss the flop you might be able to steal it from them while holding the losing hand.

if anybody makes big RAISES and big bank on PREflop - i am make easy fold...

Instead of giving a yes or no answer here are some things to think about. First of all, what position are you? Are you EP2, button, BB? This becomes important when thinking about how many potential callers you have behind you and what type of players they are.

As for the other two players already in the pot you can get an idea of their play style without a HUD unless you just sat down to the table. What sort of range are they calling with or folding to a 3 bet? You can get a rough idea of their range by how frequently they are doing this.

As for your chip stack you're clearly in a healthy position. Flat calling is likely incorrect depending on your position as you don't want more limpers unless you're in the BB and think your hand could be behind already. Based on your read you're pretty far ahead. The pot is already built so you have huge odds to call. You're only behind to AA, KK.

Ultimately you got your money in with a +EV situation. At some point you just have to win a coin flip especially if you're not thinking about these other pieces. People like AK because almost always they can take down a pot preflop with aggression or they have a 50-50 if they get called. AK can be more difficult to play after the flop the pair so some people just prefer to avoid an error postflop and just shove.

U forgot to mention if it was ak suited or unsuited, I'd still get in with queens there anyway, it's gonna be rare your facing kings or aces vs your queens, and the guy had you covered, probably thought he could use his stack to get u to fold if you were going for the steal

Yeah its deff profitable to call with so much dead money in the table and the 3 bets fine and unless you have a read or an HUD its very hard to fold this hand a min raise utg is fishy tho prob doesnt understand the value of ak and thinks its unbeatable

Well usualy when im holding qq i raise at least 6 blinds if anybody reraise i go all in...if im not all in there are 2 ways i play...it depends On the flop...if there is no ace or k i play very agresive if there is i play with more caution and analize my opponents

Hello.Nice to meet you.

I think "everyone's deal with treating AK as if it's gods gift."means is
they are decide or think to use AKo or Aks at the moment when they hold it in them hand .They play simply without thinking idly. And this case your opponent was batting first.He was thought only in the quantity of his tip and the time of the game.

If he fold AK. (He thinking flop will not comes A or K. Think stochastically.)
and waiting QQ、KK. Do you think this action to be strange?
(In the tournament,I think that there can be it.)
Perhaps not waiting then, he use JJ and lost many tips･･･.

If he fold AK fold pre flop for your action.
What does he thinks if he hold AK next time?
(Do you think that you come immediately?)

If he fold AK flop for your action.(For example, he C-bet, you re-raise)
What does he doing if next time AK holds by flop?

"What would you have done in my position?"
I attack it if I decide that I attack it.
"My read tells me he's holding a weaker pair or potentially AQ."

If I can wait flop, betting of the winning rate of oneself and the opponent think, and think only the amount to hit the tips.

There is a few tight player being who has many tips and most are aggressive players. I think quantity of the tips is size of the pressure.
I think to see the progress of the tournament.

HUD? No thank you.I think it may be boring, but it is more important that you watch the flow of the tournament. After, I think that it is useful afterwards useful HUD.
The brain of the machine has materials to think about, and it is your brain to decide.

I want to participate Sunday Millions Tournament sometime.
I have been given the ticket of $ 215 for a past.(Last year, from Bankrollmob)
But I have used it for a different tournament･･･.Omg.

I am sorry that I cannot help it.

I dont ever like calling my whole stack off to QQ pre- who wants to lose your tourney to a flip or luck. worry first about beating the flop. then getting it in isn't bad to two overs, with just two cards to go. only time it makes sense to me is if your desperate for a double in chips.

Its hard to fold i agree but in my experience those spots have costed me more than profited.

and that's the biggest point when I'm playing after you consider the information that you have on the player and if you still don't know, take a quick moment and think about how often in this situation in your poker exp. whether this spot has profited or lost you more.

hmm ofc QQit is impossible to throw against one opponent, ez preflop all-in

Honestly if would've been tough but If I felt I could outplay the table I would fold. Even tho it will be plus Ev most of the time it is not worth the risk of possibly being dominated. I also use an Hud and write down how people play hands so if I felt like he was doing it with a lower pocket pair or aq down I would call. Sometimes this is a gut call or fold

you play propeply you should only bigger raise to se otherplayer reaction....

For me thats is good play....AA end KK would rereise in early postion ...so the best this guy can have is AK ,AQ end some pairs...in this case AK...

Well allin from the early position, screams good hand, AA or KK if u had the QQ, but i was not expecting allin with AK in the position on that caliber of tournament, guess the guy didnt make it that deep in it, so nothing u could have done, mb fold after he shoves, but come on who am i kidding, no1 is gonna fold queens against 1 other player, but then again mb if u were a NIT u could have made the fold, but since i read your post on this forum about your experience in the sunday milion tourney, and also AK vs QQ, i will go on a limb and say, that was your last hand in the tournament well bud sometimes there is nothing u can do about it, u had the best hand preflop and u still lost with it, nothing u can do, except find the little fack, and bash his head in just joking... or m i...

jambo1694 said:

Today I played in my first Sunday Millions Tournament.
I was impressed by the tournament overall but disappointed in my outcome.

UTG min raised, early position flat calls. I'm holding QQ.
I 3 bet, original raiser folds, the flat caller in early position shoves. I'm sitting on around 35-40BB to his 80+. I don't use a HUD so I have no information. My read tells me he's holding a weaker pair or potentially AQ. I cannot find a fold, not after he flat called the first raise. Turns out he is holding AK.

My question is what's everyone's deal with treating AK as if it's gods gift?
I rarely ever see any post flop play because everyone is too busy jamming it pre flop to a 3/4 bet.

My other question is what would you have done in my position?

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-first of all you are at a comfortable position with 35-40 bbs, you should be in no rush.

-you also have position on both

-what do you expect to be called with after that bet? or if he calls and if you see a or k on the flop would you fold to a bet? or if he checks, can you bet on that position? by just 3-betting you are taking pressure on yourself

-for me there are two alternatives: just shove if you think it's too good to fold but you have chips enough, this would be valid if you're short stacked. two: just call and see a flop and take it from there

-if you also were on the bb or sb, you could also shove there i guess

Its hard to say, in your position i would have probably done the exact same thing, 3 betting it preflop and then put to a hard challenge as to what to do after that. I do believe in a large bet preflop w big pairs and then making a decent move after the flop if your hand still looks good. If I was playing a little later in the tournament i would have probably just flatted his preflop raise and seen what he did after i seen the flop, especially if i had seen him 4 bet AK preflop before. Its hard to tell, i will say this, those people in the sunday million usually play pretty solid poker, havent played in years due to american poker players not being allowed. I do see some sense in pushing the AK preflop but mostly its overplayed, and people like to get it in preflop because they have 5 cards to hit theirs to your high pair, which i understand but those players rarely will make the FT in those tournaments. Its basically a lot of people pushing around dead money w the AK preflop and not understanding basic stategy, also a lot of novice players would rather play preflop because its going to benefit them in the long run, because if they played post flop most of the time they will get out played. You didnt do anything wrong, maybe next time play some of your bigger hands softer in such a big tournament, at least early, wait for a later stage or when you only have 10-15 BBs left to 3 bet the QQ. Gl in future events.

I'm usually playing with QQ and see the flop K or T. then reluctantly will posul, especially in the initial stages of the tournament.

SBEP said:

...who am i kidding, no1 is gonna fold queens against 1 other player...

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The hell I won't. Yeah, if this were cash, I'd figure the back raiser was trying to upset a steal attempt, and I'd be more than willing to flip for stacks here, both for the immediate chance of winning, and for the metagame. If I guessed wrong, and he shows me (A,A) or (K,K) I can still dog his overpair. If he's got a Big Slick, I'm still a small equity favorite. If he play goes south, I can always reload.

If we're discussing the early stages of a tournament where you're done if you lose it all, then I'd drop the queens like they were on fire. If I have a 40BB stack, I'm far from pushing the panic button. I can find better spots to play for stacks, especially when I'm not afraid to play post. If I figure I'm either flipping or are crushed already, I'm not gonna guess for my tournament life here unless I'm pretty short already.

QQ is a call for 40 blinds, for more I would not close