PS League University Freeroll: Shove with Jacks on small blind against raiser on MP+1

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It's been a while since i posted my last hand for analyze, but it ain't meant i'm about to stop doing that, as i still think it's the best way of learning be a better player. So here we go, another one.. :)
Well maybe it's a bit too easy one, but i'm still not sure about. 75% of me say it's played well, another 25% say it was kind of gambling. But maybe that fact it was a freeroll can justify such gambling? What are your thoughts about?

PokerStars - 50/100 NL - Holdem - 9 players (Poker School League - University Freeroll)
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG+1: 23.2 BB (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, hands: 8)
MP: 17.2 BB (VPIP: 36.36, PFR: 27.27, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 11)
MP+1: 18.6 BB (VPIP: 26.47, PFR: 3.03, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 34)
MP+2: 12 BB (VPIP: 10.53, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 19)
CO: 13.89 BB (VPIP: 12.07, PFR: 4.17, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 58)
BTN: 26.1 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 4.55, Hands: 74)
Hero (SB): 15.95 BB
BB: 47.06 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 12)
UTG: 21.9 BB (VPIP: 14.71, PFR: 13.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 34)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J J

fold, UTG+1 raises to 2 BB, fold, MP+1 raises to 7.5 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 15.95 BB and is all-in, fold, fold, MP+1 calls 8.45 BB

Flop: (34.9 BB, 2 players) Q 4 5

Turn: (34.9 BB, 2 players) 4

River: (34.9 BB, 2 players) 2
 
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Standard play here maybe the shove but if you pay attention to Villain's stats he is a typical limper/passive caller preflop. He suddenly got aggresive and to me he has a monster(or at least he thinks he holds one) large chunk of the time. Still it is a shove to me(+EV) if you include AK and AQ in his range.
 
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Standard play here maybe the shove but if you pay attention to Villain's stats he is a typical limper/passive caller preflop. He suddenly got aggresive and to me he has a monster(or at least he thinks he holds one) large chunk of the time. Still it is a shove to me(+EV) if you include AK and AQ in his range.

I agree, I think that your shove is fine, JJ is a semi-premium hand and against the range of the villian plays fine.
 
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Villian have 18bb and raises to 7.5bb.. Hero with 15bb have two solutions, shove or fold. Both is ok but i like shove here.
 
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I don't see how you could ever call in that spot, either a fold or a shove. I think your shove here is fine, however his stats show he has a PFR of 3, which is very low and means that he limps a lot so he could be holding something that is ahead of you here but the chances are it is a couple of over card.
 
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I agree, I think that your shove is fine, JJ is a semi-premium hand and against the range of the villian plays fine.

We even can be on the side of caution and fold here and wait for a better spot. We have enough BB to do so. We don't wanna commit an ICM suicide if it is close to bubble. If we are in the money and pay jump is not big definitely we shove.
 
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I really don't like this spot but I think you have to shove, just know that you are flipping as villain is pretty much never folding after putting in 1/3 of their stack and I'd put them on 99+, AQ+, KQs.
Can only fold if we know villain is only raising to this size with QQ+, which could actually be the case judging by their stats, but we'd need to see a lot more hands to be sure.
Think you need to win flips to win or go deep in a freeroll tournament.
 
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As mentioned above, the guy here is a limper, according to stats. His sudden 3-bet shows that he had something. You need to reproduce back his previous hands that he was involved to see the range he is like to range. I would put him on AK, QQ, KK or AA. However it's University league. That means he probably could be playing more free. At the same time you need points, so a probably a fold here is not a bad decision. Always tough to fold JJ, specially at such a tournament, but I am sure if it was $10+ entrance fee tournament on such situation, you would probably fold most of the times against player with such stats.
 
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Sigh folding.

Small sample of hands but the 3bettor is running 26/3/11 over 34 hands, meaning he is flat calling a lot and not doing a lot of raising. All of the sudden he is 3Bing to this size off 18bb? That doesn't look light to me. For the most part JJ is a weird hand here, I think getting it in isn't terrible but I would fold TT.
 
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