Pocket KINGS in the BB,Did i play it right ?

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Bicycle Casino
L.A California
$ 235 Buy In / $ 200 K Guaranteed / Live Tournament

Level 12
SB - 1000 chips
BB - 2000 chips
ANTE - 300 chips

Me - 110 K in chips
Position BB
K clubs/ K spade


Villain - 125 K in chips
Position - Button
Ace diamonds/ Q hearts

Villain raised 8 K and I reraised to to 28 K villain called, Flop was :qh4:, :7d4: ,:2c4: , I went all in because my read was he wasn't that strong and likes to raised everytime he has the button , and villain called , Turn was :as4: ,river was :8c4: .

I was stunned that I'm out,he told me if I went all in before the flop he wont call me , I keep quiet and went home, but while I was driving on my way home I'm thinking I cannot go all in Preflop because I will lose value .

Guys please let me know if im right or wrong ? or it was unfortunate on my part ?:(
 
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55 bb it still big stack what shove preflop.... Your raise preflop fine, but in flop i am bet only around 30% of the pot because flop dry

and villain not very often will have Q.. About hand what you lose it cooler.....
 
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You played the hand really horribly and was lucky enough to get called by such a hand given your 3x pot sized shove.

That said, he also did play it bad so basically it turned out to be shockingly bad play from both of you.

In answer to your actual question though, no you didn't play it right.

You 3B way to big preflop to start with and as already stated your shove is by far the worse play here. No need to bet more than half pot on this flop. I'd probably bet even smaller given how dry the board is.
 
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You didn't play the hand properly. First of all, you 3betted top big preflop. Then, if you think your opponent has a weak hand and you have an overpair, why do you try to scare him away on the flop?
 
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I dont think your 3 bet was very big as others say, it as quite right. but you should ve been carefull when he called ur 3 bet of 28k. what Cards will he have when he s calling u there .. most probably in the range of JJ or QQ..definitely not AA or even AK as he would ve 4bet u there easy.. so when the flop came Q high , u Need to be careful cos of his 3 bet cal from preflop. he migh ve hit QQQ.. with 55 bb u cant shove there on flop n that too on that dry board.. but anyway we live n learn.. so we all make mistakes n Need to learn from it
 
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I think the 3 bet was fine, and after the flop i'd like to see a check there, and let him lead out, then possibly raise him. He still may call a raise, or even ship all in, but i think in the long run you're getting more value out of that hand in that situation. Unfortunately, he hit his ace and bested you.
 
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Against a big fish like that i rather do 3bet shove.Its better to lost value than lost everything.Usually they will fold.
 
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Thanks for all your reply guys, I have a very good memory and I will remember now that if I have a chance to play with him again , I would rather lose value rather than losing all my chips .

I saw the result of the Tournament that he was able to min cash ,and I'm glad that he did not go deep.:p
 
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One thing, I would have called his bet on the flop. The board is very dry and he is likely to cbet on the turn. This way you can try to maximize you profit.

Nonetheless, you were unlucky ofcourse. Can happen.
 
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In my mind, you play it right. You were just unlucky on the turn.

On the flop, you know you are ahead and your all in is just like a pot bet.

No regrets.
 
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yeah, honestly i think the shove tells him u have a good pair... which maybe he bet on 50/50 winning because he had a q/a... he made a ballsy but good call..


the position you were in is hard and usually would be fine in most cases but for the other small percent of the time id say check/ bet small amt (def not shove) and see the final cards and decide from there
 
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think you guys are a bit harsh here, this is a live event, so bigger sizings are more acceptable...

Think raise pre is totally fine imo, a little larger that i would have made it, but players don't tend to fold much in live games esp a low buyin so i'm cool with it. IF you've seen players fold to 3bets often you might want to make it smaller though.

I just think your flop thought process is flawed here. If you think he is weak, why are you doing something to make him fold when it's clear you have the best hand here pretty much always?

He is weak, so he has a weak range, meaning there isn't much that beats you, but you beat a lot of his hands he could have. That points to a smaller sized bet trying to induce him to shove over you, or to get calls, and i doubt i'm ever folding here, small buyin he can have a lot that we beat and you can never rule out spazzy plays in these games.
 
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If you think he's weak and loose you shouldn't be shoving the flop. If you are prety sure you have the best hand, you don't want to shove and scare him away.You are lucky that he flopped that and called you. Maybe you looked weaker with the shove, but very often you will get a fold. Unlucky run out tho.
 
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Well, all was said that you played the hand incorrectly . However, wouldn't it be better to 3 bet lightly preflop to 20-24 to induce a call and get some chips for holding KK ? Do we want to win hands preflop and earn minimum or risk of getting an ACE on the flop or very wet board but win more in the same time. ???
Am I right saying that trying to win hands preflop would be more useful in tournaments whereas risking would be more used in cash games ?
 
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The big ones hurt! thats for sure!

You can look at this in a couple different lights but when it comes down to it, there really isn't any reason for shoving on the flop and risking your tournament security on one hand. Typically when you shove you want them to make a difficult decision because you have a read on them. I never shove when I'm not too confident about what my opponent has. It's just a lot to risk for only one hand.

Go play it again and win!
 
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You played this hand almost fine. Don't be results oriented in these spots. The 3bet sizing to 28k is fine imo, you are OOP so you have to size bigger. On the flop, I hate jamming the flop with your SPR. You can size around 1/3 pot here to GII on the turn. As the hand played out, you got called, and you had your dominated as an 81% favorite, why would you want him to fold? Villain got lucky on the turn on a cooler spot, it happens.

Oh and just some advice for posting hands for analysis, don't show the results nor what your opponent had. People will give weaker analysis knowing the result of the hand, instead wait for responses, discuss, then reveal results if you would like :)
 
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