Playing KK at level 1

kena3000

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Hi everyone i have some questions. I would really like answers about equity and odds about this happening. Please be welcome to any other comments too. I'm trying to get better and you all help me to do so.

This is the hand i'm not telling what the other guy had. What do you think i should do or should have done?


PokerStars Hand #184492326148: Tournament #2195343316, Freeroll Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2018/03/28 14:08:55 CT [2018/03/28 15:08:55 ET]
Table '2195343316 13' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: gencoal (3240 in chips)
Seat 3: cosmotaurus (1670 in chips)
Seat 4: kena3000 (1390 in chips)
Seat 5: SchnurrHaar (1470 in chips)
Seat 6: AA_Kpacotka_AA (1350 in chips)
Seat 7: alfadog85 (1400 in chips)
Seat 8: killer3333 (1480 in chips)
Seat 9: Tolikjyan (1500 in chips)
killer3333: posts small blind 10
Tolikjyan: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to kena3000 [Ks Kc]
gencoal: calls 20
cosmotaurus: folds
kena3000: raises 100 to 120
SchnurrHaar: folds
AA_Kpacotka_AA: folds
alfadog85: folds
killer3333: folds
Tolikjyan: folds
gencoal: calls 100
*** FLOP *** [4d Tc 7s]
gencoal: checks
kena3000: bets 135
gencoal: raises 540 to 675
kena3000: calls 540
*** TURN *** [4d Tc 7s] [3h]
gencoal: bets 2445 and is all-in
kena3000: calls 595 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (1850) returned to gencoal



Pre game of villain, leader chip on the table so far.


A Villain open with a limp UTG. I'm thinking about his range. And Loose Passive player like a calling station
Before our hand this guy was going
CO: A2 won that hand.
HJ: 25s won that hand with a pair of 2 on the river
MP K2s won that hand with trips of 2 and


all those hands he limped and called the bet 3x. 5x preflop.




On the hand with KK preflop he limped again. i bet 6BB


I'm thinking he is range is small pairs 22-88. Not AT+ cause i think he would have bet 2.5x+.


*** FLOP *** [4d Tc 7s]
gencoal: checks
kena3000: bets 135
gencoal: raises 540 to 675


Here i'm confused.
Why check raised? If he would have a set i would have waited for me to keep beating. So i'm thinking now He has not 44, 77, maybe 89s 56s. But he would have just called and see another card. now i'm thinking he open UTG TJ+. I'm thinking at this point i have a better hand still so i called.


*** TURN *** [4d Tc 7s] [3h]


gencoal: bets 2445 and is all-in


Why this guy is trying to kicked me out? He is not betting for value.

At this point he knows i haven't hit the flop as i opened 6x so i probably have 99, AJ, AQ, AK.


kena3000: calls 595 and is all-in

What do you think about this hand?

I lost. What do you think he had? and not spoil of river yet.

I was taking the best value for my hand? or should have fold at flop or turn?
 
1dkp0k3r

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Sounds like a freeroll maniac, willing to call any size bet even all in preflop.

Why did you not 3 bet the flop? If this guy is that crazy, then I think that you fold to his flop check raise or go all in.

If he happened to flop 2 pair, then you still have 5 outs on the turn (25% equity), 8 outs on the river (18%), unless he fills up. If he has a straight draw, you are dodging 3 (80% equity) to 8 outs (65%)

Since you did not reveal the river card as of yet, I can only infer that he hit his card on the river. Either he made 2 pair, trips from a flop card, or gut shot straight on the river.
 
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He may of had a pair of 10's and flopped a set, which then he decided to Trap you.or he could of had a pair of 4's or 7's and also flopped a set, and once again decided to let you raise and then re-raise you.

or, you were just playing against a typical bad online player and he just got lucky without ever using any thought behind any of his moves, just a typical online donkey that makes playing online so distasteful at times.
 
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What do you think about this hand?

I lost. What do you think he had? and not spoil of river yet.

I was taking the best value for my hand? or should have fold at flop or turn?[/QUOTE]

As its a freeroll and he showed before couple of marginal-bad hands If i would put him in range i would say that his flop check-raise range is(44,77,65,98,T7s,T4s,T9,JT-KT)..Against that range you have 67.25% equity..
I would never fold against him on flop..if you fold 2nd best overpair here i think you are overfolding because many freeroll bad players overplay top pair with decent kicker on that spots especially when their hands need protection on later streets being out of position.
So,you can reraise all in on flop or just flat but knowning that on turn you dont have choice to fold because of SPR<1(stack to pot ratio)..As played,you need 21% equity on turn to put your remaining chips inside after his shove .I would snap..i am very curious to see his hand to understand his way of thinking. :)
 
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IMHO, tournament deep stacks, the to control the bets and still fold KK but freeroll, does not have much to do, I believe it stand. Very difficult to define the range, the villain can have the sets, QT, JT, draws ...
 
kena3000

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Thanks for you reply. I read the game as he has AT so top pair on flop. And turn didin't help him so i called and River hit A. Sooo Got 2 pairs, Well he just needed one A to win at first but it came at the end. I guess i sould have shove all in at flop but pretty sure he would have called.
 
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I recommend using hand converter or boom link. Hand with converter is more readable. Your hand with hand converter:
http://replayer.runitup.com/hands/718c813af4
In freeroll when 1 limper, IMO preflop bet is OK. In tournaments with a higher buy-in, this bet is too more. Cbet in flop is OK. When villain raise this, I play here 3bet AI and not call, becouse your pot is committed. Generally good played. Unlucky hand without entry.
 
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Bad Bit!!!

And lunch that happened in the game against the maniac. Sometimes they are happy and that very much ...
 
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I agree with your read: gencoal bluffed (or is just a player with limited skills, just like me:D).
But the flop bet is too high for a set.
I think you did well, calling on the flop maybe was even better than 3betting, as it should have resulted in a fold. Although the call on the flop is more risky, but could lead to more higher profit.
 
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Very much agreed with lilu80, please use some converter next time! ;)
Talking about the hand: Preflop is alright. Flop i would jam on his re-raise. Shouldn't be paranoid of facing sets with KK on such flop. You are very very often ahead, so if your villain eager to play big, stack him! That's how you get to Final Table. But at the end, pretty unlucky.
p.s. I found it not very nice to talk about other CardsChat players, as gencoal for example, as he were a fish or bad player or something like that. No offence, but.. simply sounds not nice to me and it could offend him, if he read it. Best of all were if you mask names of your villains of course and if not, at least not name them bad players, fish, freeroll donks or whatever. We are all the one community and we have to show respect to each other. In my humble opinion.:rolleyes:
 
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weak players will take top/top to the felt every time. There is no use trying to push these folks off the hand, it won't work. It's up to the poker gods to save us.
 
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Very much agreed with lilu80, please use some converter next time! ;)
Talking about the hand: Preflop is alright. Flop i would jam on his re-raise. Shouldn't be paranoid of facing sets with KK on such flop. You are very very often ahead, so if your villain eager to play big, stack him! That's how you get to Final Table. But at the end, pretty unlucky.
p.s. I found it not very nice to talk about other CardsChat players, as gencoal for example, as he were a fish or bad player or something like that. No offence, but.. simply sounds not nice to me and it could offend him, if he read it. Best of all were if you mask names of your villains of course and if not, at least not name them bad players, fish, freeroll donks or whatever. We are all the one community and we have to show respect to each other. In my humble opinion.:rolleyes:
i agree with you both. i will use some hand converter next time. I couldn't agree more about respect with the Community friends, so i didn't used those adjectives on gencoal. i didn't realized of not showing the names. If genco read it please dont take this the wrong way.
 
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