Not sure if should of been a call so i folded

This is on Bovada 25k, blinds 500-1000, only have like 20 hands on the individual, so really no idea of a correct range. Anyways he shoves for 12k UTG, I have 24k folds to me with AJ?? Was this a overly tight fold?

I guess with little to no stats on him I would say its up to what you think is too tight. I personally play AJs pretty freely so I would have called if I was double his stack but Id say that fold isn't overly tight. Better to keep your chips out if you don't feel confident on the read.

87shorts is right on the money. With little information on the player, it is hard to offer any definitive answer. AJ is not a premium hand, and is easily dominated. You are behind even if he is shoving a small pair. As an example, in a cash game I got a pre-flop raise from an early position player, I re-raised from the big blind with AQ and he shoved. I thought he was making a move so I called. He turned over 99. Probably shouldn't have snap called, but I know many players who think AQ is ahead of most ranges, and will call shoves with them.In most cases though, unless I know for sure he only shoves with marginal hands like KQ or QJ, I would do what you did and folded. Always further opportunities down the road.

this is to much of a strech to know for sure.But if you have no vpip/prf for your op or atleast his some what raise range you can only assume that his UTG shove range is strong (99+,AQ...) this = you hope for a coin flip at best if he has something like smal pairs,KQS...

If you have no information on a player, you should default to Nash Ranges and go from there. In fact, you should typically always use this as a starting point and only move away form this if you know that someone shoves or calls particularly loose or tight. If you stick to these ranges, you can't make unprofitable calls in the long run.

He was like 21/13 with zero raises from ep, but 20 hands. I've been over 50vpip in these small sample situations and 0.

Obviously, that's not enough information, so you should assume a standard Nash Shove range of 22+ A9s+ AJo+ K9s+ KQo QTs JTs T9s and if you're closing the action, you should call. Your calling range should be tighter depending on how many people are behind you, because the more people waiting to act, the more chance they wake up with a hand that crushes you.

its always a tricky call hen you dont know much about your oponient but if you ended up taking money off him in the long run it was smart for getting to know him as a player

"zero raises from ep, but 20 hands"

you can make a read that he does not play ~8Jo from EP, so it's more of a strong player. 21/13 with no raise from EP can indicate a decent-good player.
means he does not want to steal from EP. PRF is pretty low(but than agains ... 20 hands) but can indicate either nit or limper-to-see-the-flop player, so again, raise from him is ussualy strong.
althou i might be reading too much into it =)

JohnBoyWWFC said:

Obviously, that's not enough information, so you should assume a standard Nash Shove range of 22+ A9s+ AJo+ K9s+ KQo QTs JTs T9s and if you're closing the action, you should call. Your calling range should be tighter depending on how many people are behind you, because the more people waiting to act, the more chance they wake up with a hand that crushes you.

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+1
There are a lot of hands that shove for 12bb that you simply have crushed...

I think it would also depend on what stage of the tournament youre in. If your in the bubble it might be okay to be more risk averse.. If there are antes then its profitable to call with a slightly wider range

What position were you in, and what position was he in?

JohnBoyWWFC said:

Obviously, that's not enough information, so you should assume a standard Nash Shove range of 22+ A9s+ AJo+ K9s+ KQo QTs JTs T9s and if you're closing the action, you should call. Your calling range should be tighter depending on how many people are behind you, because the more people waiting to act, the more chance they wake up with a hand that crushes you.

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I was the button, so I wasn't closing action, but close. It was probably 20 mins from the bubble maybe less.

well, i just downloaded ICMizer, and playing around with this hand in it, it seems like in this situation with half your stack at risk, and average stacks are probably bigger than yours, you'd be right to fold with AJ. its saying that its only profitable to reshove with AJo if villain is shoving with 25% of his hands or wider, and it is a fold if villain is shoving less than 25% of his hands. I'd estimate that villain is probably shoving around a 10-15% range here, but I could be wrong. So based on the results, I think a fold would be best... especially close to the bubble, if you were in the money i think you could shove a wider range profitably. also im obviously still learning how to use ICMizer since i just downloaded it, so take these results with a grain of salt..

second opinions?

EDIT: not sure why the attachment is so small....

Thanks for looking into it. Generally against uks from ep I go with 8s+ and aq+

Good fold bro !