KK $0,25 45P

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Would you give up on this KK for being in the final table bubble?



PokerStars, $0.23 + $0.02 - Hold'em No Limit - 150/300 (25 ante) - 5 players
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Lomfer2010 (UTG): 4,428 (15 bb)
alaercio (CO): 4,259 (14 bb)
Nevvskiy (BU): 6,597 (22 bb)
Newner (SB): 7,322 (24 bb)
khenk2705 (BB): 21,262 (71 bb)

Pre-Flop: (575) Hero (alaercio) is CO with K♥ K♠
Lomfer2010 (UTG) raises to 4,403 (all-in), alaercio (CO) calls 4,234 (all-in), 3 players fold

Flop: (9,043) J♦ T♦ K♣ (2 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: (9,043) 3♥ (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: (9,043) 2♦ (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: 9,043

Showdown:
Lomfer2010 (UTG) shows Q♣ A♥ (a straight, Ten to Ace)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 29%, Flop: 65%, Turn: 77%, River: 100%)

alaercio (CO) shows K♥ K♠ (three of a kind, Kings)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 71%, Flop: 35%, Turn: 23%, River: 0%)

Lomfer2010 (UTG) wins 9,043
 
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Absolutely not. 7 places pay, and the average chip stack for the final 7 is just under 10k. So you need a dubble up, and you are never going to find a better spot than getting it in with KK 15 BB deep. I played a lot of these 45 man SnGs in the past, especially the 1$ variety, and you really need to get past this feeling, that something is wrong, because you bust in one of them. I typically played 10-15 of them each session, and only long term results matter.
 
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5 players at the table but it was 9 max or 6max?
I'll be honest, in this bubble position, if I'm in ITM I fold even :ac4::as4:, amazingly i never was the real bubble man.
I've seen a lot of guys being bubble with :ac4::as4: :eek2:

edit: - now i see is the 45 players sorry, oh man

i understand that call, is hard
 
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What we should analysis here? In this hand is nothing to comment, typical spot, nothing else to say. Could I fold KK preflop on the bubble? If I would have short stack in tournament 0,25 never, on EPT only If I don't have fold equity.
 
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0.25& sng? yes, I call, with 14 blinds they' re pushing a lot of hands worse than your kings
 
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Thanks for the answers. Then the correct move. I posted another similar hand with KK tanem but Master here in the forum and I believe it is analyzed the same way then!
 
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Honestly this is so trivial, that I am not even really sure, why you ask? It sound, like you believe, it somehow matter, that when one player more go out, you will be at the final table. Well it does not. Only 7 places pay, so there is no difference at all between finishing 8, 9 or 10. Even finishing 7 is not that important either, since the 6 place finisher win nearly twice as much. So all, you have to focus on here, is to accumulate chips and try to win the thing.
 
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Alaercio da Rocha said:
Thanks for the answers. Then the correct move. I posted another similar hand with KK tanem but Master here in the forum and I believe it is analyzed the same way then!
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with KK and a stack less than 20bb you can Always call an all-in or shove in a non-sat tournament. KK is such a strong Hand and we dominate tons of Hands. mincashing is worthless, once you figure it out and Play more aggressive, you will get deeper runs.



like others said, it's an easy call and not worth a thread. if you are in the same Situation with JJ/TT it's a different Story.


Next time Play KK like you would Play AA, this should make it easier for you :p
 
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Veritas said:
like others said, it's an easy call and not worth a thread. if you are in the same Situation with JJ/TT it's a different Story.
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I am not a tournament specialist, but I am pretty sure, JJ/TT is also a snap call with a 15BB stack and only 5 players at the table. Yeah the guy is UTG, but he only have 4 guys left to act after him, so he is supposed to play 20-25% of hands in this situation in a game with antes.

To me, the hands, that get a little bit tricky here, would be something like 88 or AJ, where ok maybe we can find a better spot, where we are the one pushing rather than calling, and where if we fold, we are at least not giving up much EV.
 
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fundiver199 said:
I am not a tournament specialist, but I am pretty sure, JJ/TT is also a snap call with a 15BB stack and only 5 players at the table. Yeah the guy is UTG, but he only have 4 guys left to act after him, so he is supposed to play 20-25% of hands in this situation in a game with antes.

To me, the hands, that get a little bit tricky here, would be something like 88 or AJ, where ok maybe we can find a better spot, where we are the one pushing rather than calling, and where if we fold, we are at least not giving up much EV.
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yeah sure it should be still a call in most cases, but it's more thread worthy :p
 
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