I think i played bad there, or what do you think?

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888 Poker - 10/20 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 1,500
UTG: 1,500
UTG+1: 1,500
MP: 1,500
MP+1: 1,500
Hero (MP+2): 1,500
CO: 1,500
BTN: 1,500
SB: 1,500

SB posts SB 10, BB posts BB 20

Pre Flop: (pot: 30) Hero has J:club: A:club:

UTG calls 20, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 80, fold, BTN calls 80, SB calls 70, fold, UTG calls 60

Flop: (340, 4 players) 3:heart: 7:heart: A:heart:
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets 255, BTN calls 255, fold, fold

Turn: (850, 2 players) A:diamond:
Hero bets 1,165 and is all-in, BTN calls 1,165 and is all-in

River: (3,180, 2 players) 6:club:

Hero shows J:club: A:club: (Three of a Kind, Aces)

BTN shows J:heart: 8:heart: (Flush, Ace High)

BTN wins 3,180
 
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Here are some of my thoughts about it:
I shouldn't have risk it that much at first hand of tournament even thought its not very luckily that someone made a flush already on a flop or got me beat by kicker. But its low limit SNG and blinds are so small comparing to stacks, people just calling any suited trash to catch flush or flush draw later. I had to think about it before i used my agression with a good hand. Do you think am i right about it?
 
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I don't think it is too bad. You are out of position and you still beat a lot of hands. He can have a lot of flush draws with Kx or Qx types of hands. And you can still get value from some aces. I would check the flop and play a little more conservatively. You still end up losing but you might not lose your whole stack. And then you can turn your hand into a bluff catcher and make money that way. So I think that's a more profitable type of play even though you end up losing matter how you play.
 
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I don't think it is too bad. You are out of position and you still beat a lot of hands. He can have a lot of flush draws with Kx or Qx types of hands. And you can still get value from some aces.[...]
Exactly those thoughts i had when i raised flop and turn. Didn't want to get anyone free 4th card of hearts cheap.
I would check the flop and play a little more conservatively. You still end up losing but you might not lose your whole stack. And then you can turn your hand into a bluff catcher and make money that way. So I think that's a more profitable type of play even though you end up losing matter how you play.
Okay that makes sense, yes. Better would to play defensive check-call and hoping to see showdown cheap. But thank you for another point of view at the hand. I really appreciate that. ;)
 
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888 Poker - 10/20 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 1,500
UTG: 1,500
UTG+1: 1,500
MP: 1,500
MP+1: 1,500
Hero (MP+2): 1,500
CO: 1,500
BTN: 1,500
SB: 1,500

SB posts SB 10, BB posts BB 20

Pre Flop: (pot: 30) Hero has J<font color='black'>♣</font> A<font color='black'>♣</font>

UTG calls 20, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 80, fold, BTN calls 80, SB calls 70, fold, UTG calls 60

Flop: (340, 4 players) 3<font color='red'>♥</font> 7<font color='red'>♥</font> A<font color='red'>♥</font>
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets 255, BTN calls 255, fold, fold

Turn: (850, 2 players) A<font color='red'>♦</font>
Hero bets 1,165 and is all-in, BTN calls 1,165 and is all-in

River: (3,180, 2 players) 6<font color='black'>♣</font>

Hero shows J<font color='black'>♣</font> A<font color='black'>♣</font> (Three of a Kind, Aces)

BTN shows J<font color='red'>♥</font> 8<font color='red'>♥</font> (Flush, Ace High)

BTN wins 3,180

Good played, but there was a flash , straight draw, pocket pair caught the flop. Should have been more careful game.
 
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You've got to much players who saw the flop. The chances of flush are very high, set is also pretty much a possibility. Let's not forget that your kicker is good, but could be beaten by Q or K from the other guys who paid 4 BB raise. I would rather play pretty safe.
 
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Once you raise and get called all over the place the hand is downgraded. You hope to win but you know there are a lot of hands out there that can get you. So when the flop comes with 3 hearts you may well be beat but more likely it is a flush draw you will be facing. You bet the flop strong and get called so that is most likely flush hands a possible set and maybe just a float. Once the ace comes on the turn you need check here. You can call something but rally if he keeps coming it sounds more and more like a flush. It is a tough spot and once again shows why position is king. Check calling the flop(he might check since he flopped a monster) and check calling the turn will allow you to see the river and go for a boat or a crying call on the river..Even when you hit the ace remember you did not sign up for 3 hearts on the flop..It is okay to think you are beat sometimes especially early in a tournament or sit and go.
 
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Once you raise and get called all over the place the hand is downgraded. You hope to win but you know there are a lot of hands out there that can get you. So when the flop comes with 3 hearts you may well be beat but more likely it is a flush draw you will be facing. You bet the flop strong and get called so that is most likely flush hands a possible set and maybe just a float. Once the ace comes on the turn you need check here. You can call something but rally if he keeps coming it sounds more and more like a flush. It is a tough spot and once again shows why position is king. Check calling the flop(he might check since he flopped a monster) and check calling the turn will allow you to see the river and go for a boat or a crying call on the river..Even when you hit the ace remember you did not sign up for 3 hearts on the flop..It is okay to think you are beat sometimes especially early in a tournament or sit and go.

I agree 100% i think check calling is the way to go here, i dont mind cbetting the flop, but once he calls, he's only calling the turn shove with hands that beat you. by checking the turn you can induce bluffs which improve your equity immensely
 
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888 Poker - 10/20 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 1,500
UTG: 1,500
UTG+1: 1,500
MP: 1,500
MP+1: 1,500
Hero (MP+2): 1,500
CO: 1,500
BTN: 1,500
SB: 1,500

SB posts SB 10, BB posts BB 20

Pre Flop: (pot: 30) Hero has J<font color='black'>♣</font> A<font color='black'>♣</font>

UTG calls 20, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 80, fold, BTN calls 80, SB calls 70, fold, UTG calls 60

Flop: (340, 4 players) 3<font color='red'>♥</font> 7<font color='red'>♥</font> A<font color='red'>♥</font>
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets 255, BTN calls 255, fold, fold

Turn: (850, 2 players) A<font color='red'>♦</font>
Hero bets 1,165 and is all-in, BTN calls 1,165 and is all-in

River: (3,180, 2 players) 6<font color='black'>♣</font>

Hero shows J<font color='black'>♣</font> A<font color='black'>♣</font> (Three of a Kind, Aces)

BTN shows J<font color='red'>♥</font> 8<font color='red'>♥</font> (Flush, Ace High)

BTN wins 3,180


A few thoughts... take em or leave em! :)

I am not sure I would have made the same preflop raise , but I am going to skip to the post flop action.

The flop isn't really what you are wanting to see with AJc. With 3 others in the hand, there is a good chance that someone flopped the flush, or has the K or Q of hearts and wont get away from it (and while you are ahead of what is essentially a naked flush draw in that case, you dont want to lose half your stack or more betting them off their draw, only to have to fold when the 4th heart hits). With 2 ahead of you checking, I like a check here. You get to see what BTN does, and if he checks, you get a free card. You also open yourself up to seeing a 4th heart on the turn, but then you can get away from the hand cheaply. Betting just reopens the action for SB and UTG, and what do you do when they raise or shove?

If you do want to bet the flop, to find out where you are, I think a smaller bet tells you the same thing. Maybe somewhere around 180? Of course, on the turn, you have another tough decision to make. It being the start of a tourney, you may not have any info on BTN player. but its reasonable to think he called the preflop raise with something like AQ (maybe has a Q of hearts too, calling on flop). I might check the turn too, and see if he bets. Unlikely, but you may even pull off representing AA with the flop bet and checked turn. If you haven't put him on the flush by the river, you can make a small value bet or check. There is a chance he will not raise you, if you bet, with a paired board and his highest card a J (but he might). If you check, his bet will likely be a value bet that you can call and still be in the tournament.

Of course, I've assumed a lot here! And there's no telling how it might have played differently. The sit-n-go structure is tough; not a lot of chips, and you have to figure out the players quickly. I tend to start off pretty tight and figure out the table. Sometimes, it really pays to get it in early and build a stack too, though! Overall, I think you could have kept yourself in the tournament by playing the hand a little less aggressively.
 
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I thought you played it fine just got unlucky. Most times you will get value from draws. Turn jam is fine in my book to protect against draws and you have outs if your opponent has what he had.
 
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[...] The sit-n-go structure is tough; not a lot of chips, and you have to figure out the players quickly. I tend to start off pretty tight and figure out the table. Sometimes, it really pays to get it in early and build a stack too, though! Overall, I think you could have kept yourself in the tournament by playing the hand a little less aggressively.
Yes, you are absolutely right about it. I was reading a Collin Moshman's book about SNG tournaments and that is similar what he recommends there too. Better avoid coin flip and marginal situations at the beginning and playing very tight, but growing up aggression accordingly to growing blinds. And it's of course easier to make decisions against opponents you already played a little bit with to figure out at least if they are tight or loose, aggressive or passive. In those hand i was playing in the fog of obscurity, without position with too many people in a pot, but felt in love with "good enough for steal hand" and putted him on a draw. Well i need to learn a lot still.

And by the way, thank you for great deep analyze of that hand. That really helps. ;)
Thanks a lot to all of you for your opinions and sharing thoughts!
 
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