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I was dealt As 2s blinds was 600/1200 I had a 56000 stack
I was mid postion and raised 2600
The postion next to me raised to 10000 with a 65000 stack everyone else folded
So I called the 10000
Flop was 10s 2d 4s
I checked the other player bet 20000.
Without telling anyone what i did and with the same information i had at the time.
Will say what i actually did in a week and the out come.

IN this position what would you do ?
 
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If you call the flop bet, you have put over half your stack in the pot. You put yourself in a tough spot by raising and calling the 3bet preflop. With that being said, I would guess the villain has KK, QQ, or JJ. So if he has KhKc, you have 52% equity, and I think its time to gamble and raise allin.
 
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I agree with the poster above. I think you should get your stack in, as you have a lot of equity against any hand. In my opinion this is a snap fold when villain 3 bet preflop.
 
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Fold pre...Probably not even raise pre...as you have > 20 BB's
 
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So I went all in with 14 outs and Villan called and turned Kd Kc I missed all my outs and got dumped out.
 
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I would have folded preflop after the raise. With trip 2's after the flop I would have no problems shoving all in, no problem.
 
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It is a fold preflop for me in this case.
 
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Still learning the game and really need to fix my problem of going when I should fold.
In the Cardschat $100 Freeroll on pokerstars I had pocket 9s 3BB went round to BB who raised to 9BB I should have folded but shoved to find myself behind to pocket Aces.
Also today in the pokerschool Initiation League pocket 3s raised 3BB UTG1 called should have checked after the flop but got sucked in. A lot of poor play on my regards.
 
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first of all A2s in a middle position would be a quick fold. Then after the reraise preflop i again would fold. A2 is a weak hand and suited doesnt really add that much to the value. and you are out of position. Now after the flop you have checked and he again portrays a strong hand. I would put him on anything like 10 10 to KK or make maybe a stronger A. with my tourney life on the line i fold and i am mad that i put myself in that position.
 
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Before playing these type of hands I look at my stack then look around my opponent stack and then the position and then blind levels. So to win 1800 only putting your entire stack on risk is a foolish mistake.
 
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I would fold preflop on his 3bet but since you got there , I would get the chips in the middle with that flop and chips already invested and you have equity there.
Hopefully turned out well for you.
 
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The decision also depends on the stage of the tourney. How long from the bubble and so on. Generally i would fold preflop on this 3bet. What to do with this flop depends on the stage of the tourney, and how important it is for me to get to the money in this tournament
 
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I don't will call this raise of almost 4 times my bet, It indicares a good range. But like you have called, I thinck you should call the Flop to, you have odds, and maybe you can bluff in depend of the villain action.
 
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100% fold pre flop, 3rd highest card hit 10 man table. call bb fold on flop after not hitting trips or 2 pair if board looked solid with that hand

I hope you held up and had success, your one of the gamblers who get lucky winning with a2!!
 
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I believe I need a little more info on Vil's playing type, and your image at the table at this point. This bet is a little on the larger side, but is still within mean to call with most of your range. With that said, I'll go with what I would do majority of the time when considering playing style factors....

I would make the call just as you did, now with this specific flop, and being HU. I wouldn't eliminate a donk bet here. You have low pair, on a wet, unconnected board (Based off Vils possible range). If you donk bet you are advertising a T. You have the nut flush draw at this point, and since it was a 3Bet pot, I really don't think you need to bet big... even though I've taken 1/2 bets completely out of my game, you could go half pot here figuring you're donking into an aggressor. If you don't take this line often, you are advertising top pair at least. This is why I need to know more about Vil playing style, and your image. If he's a bully LAG, and you donk into him with these holding. he's going to take that as a threat to his bully style image, and inflate the pot IP. The last thing we want is be playing a 3bet pot, on a 2Bet Flop, OOP. Now, if hes a typical TAG or NIT, chances are he just calls or folds. We protect our range, advertising the T, thus Vil could possibly eliminate the flush draw from our range, leading to a HUGE POT if we actually connect the flush. This also allows us to check higher cards on the turn such as Js, Qs, Ks while allowing Vil to check behind with top pair if they did connect on the turn to see what our play would be on the river (turning thier hand into a bluff catcher). If thats the case, we river our flush. We bet huge after a checked turn. We force the LAG/NIT style players into a huge decision for most of their chips. Since the only real hands we would have at best is top 2Pair, or a (very rare set of Ts). When in reality we rivered our Nut flush, allowing for a huge payday. You might say, "But JB, Donking is bad. If we get raised, or called on the flop we don't know where we are at in the hand."

And I agree with that Statement 100%, but with how this flop came out. We need to find a way for Vil to hold on to some equity in the hand in case we do hit our flush. We have the A, if the flop goes check, check, and we turn the flush. We bet right? Unless it's an K or a Q Vil really has nothing in their range to call us with. if it goes down as describe, and we turn the flush. Chances are it goes check check on the turn, fold to river bet unless they happen to complete a straight. This allows Vil a chance at a free card if they check 2 pair, or a set on the turn in hopes for the board to pair on the river. We really don't want them seeing a free river, just in case they are drawing to a boat.

So with all that said, I don't mind not knowing exactly I am in this hand, on this flop after donk betting. There are a ton of cards that could be good for me, and only a few that could be very bad. but we could lose this hand if played passively, along with the Vil losing equity, and not calling if we do hit.

As played its an obvious check call. If you were willing to call this PF you needed to know you were looking for nothing less then a draw. You got that draw, now you have to play it strong. even if that means calling a 2/3 pot Flop bet. Something else that can be eliminated if we donk bet here.... Just something to think about.
 
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At genting Casino
I was dealt As 2s blinds was 600/1200 I had a 56000 stack
I was mid postion and raised 2600
The postion next to me raised to 10000 with a 65000 stack everyone else folded
So I called the 10000
Flop was 10s 2d 4s
I checked the other player bet 20000.
Without telling anyone what i did and with the same information i had at the time.
Will say what i actually did in a week and the out come.

IN this position what would you do ?



Always fold in that position pre-flop. He 3-bet 4x against you, you had a weak hand and were playing out of position. Once you saw the flop tho, always take the gamble and go all in
 
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Fold pre. As played, you can't fold on that flop. No sense in calling with a bad hand and folding on a decent flop.
 
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So I went all in with 14 outs and Villan called and turned Kd Kc I missed all my outs and got dumped out.
46BBs and you dump it all in a spot you didn't have to.

You got really lucky with that flop, but you still committed ~20% of your stack PF with a terrible hand OOP when you didn't have to.
 
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Martin, you took a chance pre-flop and were rewarded with a draw that knocked you out of the tourney. It may very well have gone the other way and you would have doubled up vs KK. Sometimes you have to make risky moves to truly win in tourneys as opposed to min-cashing or being blinded out prior to ITM. Yes, you would usually not want to play A2s oop, but sometimes you have to make a move and that move may not work out.
 
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Martin, you took a chance pre-flop and were rewarded with a draw that knocked you out of the tourney. It may very well have gone the other way and you would have doubled up vs KK. Sometimes you have to make risky moves to truly win in tourneys as opposed to min-cashing or being blinded out prior to ITM. Yes, you would usually not want to play A2s oop, but sometimes you have to make a move and that move may not work out.
Why does OP have to make a move with ~50BBs?
 
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Why does OP have to make a move with ~50BBs?
He doesn't have to, but he can to double up and go for the win, because there may not be a chance later.
 
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as played. this is a c/jam good luck sir. PS. fold this pre next time with these stacks. 120k+ ok but not 60k gl sir
 
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Cheers for all the advice since then i have tightened my game up and dont get stuck in mid with A2s. Mid position im looking at more KQ suited depending on the action before me. I have since done quite well in tournaments online and in the casino. Winning a £20 buyin at the casino £300 + free entry to the £88 buyin £8000 gaurantee where i finished a good 4th £800 not bad from £20. Then on pokerstars i keep playing the $2.50 180 player sit and go won 1 last night $123 played 3 more finished 10th 19th and nowhere. Really enjoying myself.
 
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At genting Casino
I was dealt As 2s blinds was 600/1200 I had a 56000 stack
I was mid postion and raised 2600
The postion next to me raised to 10000 with a 65000 stack everyone else folded
So I called the 10000
Flop was 10s 2d 4s
I checked the other player bet 20000.
Without telling anyone what i did and with the same information i had at the time.
Will say what i actually did in a week and the out come.

IN this position what would you do ?


I don't hate your original raise. You have A-rag suited and it might be the best hand at the table that orbit......whoops....no it's not lol

So your neighbor let you know he has some kind of monster or he's just testing your resolve. I am folding to his bigggg raise preflop unless that player has been raising like this all day. Pick a better spot.

But now that you are there - and now that you get that "beautiful" flop - you want to see the river.

You do not have fold equity - so shoving on his $20k bet should get a call. You can call the flop bet - but he's shoving on the turn. If you intend to call him down including his shove to advance your awesome draw then you can do so.

I don't really see you folding on that flop. It's one of the best flops you could hope for.

Any spade - any 2 - any A - are what I think your outs are. Fifteen outs twice? That is typically a shove for value plus the fold factor (but I already estimated you don't have fold equity).

Did he have KK and was very upset that you hit your draw? I would be also in his situation.

Good luck !
 
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At genting Casino
I was dealt As 2s blinds was 600/1200 I had a 56000 stack
I was mid postion and raised 2600
The postion next to me raised to 10000 with a 65000 stack everyone else folded
So I called the 10000
Flop was 10s 2d 4s
I checked the other player bet 20000.
Without telling anyone what i did and with the same information i had at the time.
Will say what i actually did in a week and the out come.

IN this position what would you do ?


open raise is okay, calling the 3bet is not okay :D
he is representing a strong Hand and on the flop he continues with a huge cbet to protect his more than obvious overpair.
on this flop you can't fold, you have too many Outs and you are ahead vs KK.
you are a slight favourite to win. 52.5 : 47.5
so the call was corretct, but the preflop call was really bad

Fold pre...Probably not even raise pre...as you have > 20 BB's


we can raise A2s from time to time in MP, it's not that bad of a Play. but it should not be a Standard open in MP
not sure what it has to do with his stack of 20+bb? with a deeper stack it would rather raise it than with a stack size of less than 20bb ?!
 
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